We quickly went from 'the labs don't exist' to 'okay they exist but they are benevolent' to 'if the labs fall into Russian hands there will be a biological attack'.
You mean the one where she said: "So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR , saying you need Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets to stick. So Biden's willing."
Worth noting too that in that recording she demonstrates such impressive verbal fluency/quick command of language that it is impossible to chalk up the exchange with Rubio to unintended awkward phrasing or whatever they will claim.
Propaganda is sleight of words so fascinating as magicians sleight of hands. I have studied it for years. I know most standard tricks.
Maddow and O'Donnell were excellent propagandists, always spouting extremely one sided very biased "truths," often out of context (one of the tricks). Six months before the 2020 election they resorted to crappy lying propaganda. I don't know if they panicked or they were always just actors, their excellent propagandist writer left, and a crappy one filled the vacancy.
You can watch it on Rumble, Odyssey, Gab, or Ben Swann's new platform - SOVREN - for free. Because the last two mentioned above don't believe in censorship or suppression - and they are fighting the best fight on behalf of our freedoms.
I've been thinking that someone should set up a "date night" between Hunter Biden and Taylor Shabusiness (if the name doesn't resonate, a quick news search should remedy that). It's seems a perfect match. One potential obstacle is that the woman may be incarcerated by the time this can be accomplished. In that case, I suppose it could be a "conjugular visit"... <g,d &r>
Yes. That is where the stratospheric delusional fairy tale ideals that destroyed the economies of half the world were dreamed. The dreamers went to school at 6 years old and never left. They are still there with 6 year old minds indoctrinating naive young people with the lovely, non-functional in almost all societies, fairy tale dream theories. Eastern Europe's and other parts of Asia's economies crashed and burned under those.
The recent surge in more communist policies, distribution according to need (socialist distribution is the same as capitalist: according to contribution), is crashing and burning our economy now (increasing consumption by non-producers) after it was bashed by the hysterical shutdown. The shutdown was demanded by today's thumb-sucking baby citizens. I'm not sure their "daddies and mommies" in government didn't push that to increase their "we know better than you do" domination.
My own stratospheric libertarian ideals are also non-functional in all societies except possibly the ultra-disciplined, very orderly Japanese one. That society does successfully practice some socialism and might be able to successfully practice communism.
"China has called on the US to release the details of the Pentagon’s biological research programs in Ukraine. “The United States, as the party that knows the laboratories best, should release relevant specific information as soon as possible, including what viruses are stored and the research that has been carried out,” said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian."
Yes they did. All because nobody in a position of power has the will or capacity to can failures. Lincoln did it during the civil war. One can list over a dozen military officers of various ranks who were demoted or outright canned for their failures. Now, not only are the left off the hook, but are allowed to go and make fortunes in civilian life>
Having a background in the biological sciences, and a degree in nursing as well, I do know that there are biological labs in many countries and even countries that are not secure, and that poses a significant problem. If something happens, an accident, since I don't think the Russians would intentionally target these labs, we have a a very big problem. I never said the Chinese do not lie, but in this instance it's the truth and I think there are some 30 labs there. The most corrupt nation in Europe has 30 labs and I wonder why in God's name we are funding them.
It is too soon to say it is true. Ukraine had the highest concentration of scientific workers in the USSR. I wonder, how many of these labs were in place back then and have remained. Also biological labs are not the same as bio-warfare labs. Every developed country and many developing countries have biolabs. All will be revealed with time.
You seem to have the narrow world view as a cultist. I meant like WMDs, the Iraqi Al-Quaeda alliance, the back story behind the the overthrow of Allende, The Pentagon Papers, The Panama Papers, My Lai, Russiagate, The Contra War, the death of Che Guevara, the murder of Polish troops at Katyn, The famine in Ukraine in the 193Os, etc, etc, etc,. And maybe one day Roswell and the JFK assassination too.
In the end, I am 99.99% sure that among the world's shadow biolabs, that 'scientists' from the US, EU, Russia and China are all working together in at least one of them.
At this point the most radical conspiracy theories are merely very early spoilers.
We cannot believe anything our governments tell us, and it is now very plain that we should not, as they are demonstrable liars. My personal policy is that, if they should tell me the sun in shining, I will check the nearest window. We're long past Reagan's "Trust but Verify!" now, and deep into "Never Believe Anything Until It Is Officially Denied" territory.
I used to think that boy who cried wolf was an accurate representation of human psychology. I was wrong. Because power can indeed cry "wolf" over and over again, and the peasants will clutch at their "guns and bibles".
Maybe the boy's mistake was not making it a 'new' threat each time.
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." - buhs
Apparently, the US has 336 biolabs in 30 countries.
Some fun facts from “The Project for a New American Century and the Age of Bioweapons: 20 Years of Psychological Terror”:
“This anthrax attack led quickly into the 2004 Bioshield Act with a $5 billion budget and mandate to “pre-empt and defend further bioweapon attacks”. This new chapter of the revolution in military affairs was to be coordinated from leading bioweapons facility at the Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick. Since 2002, over $50 billion has been spent on Bioweapons research and defense to date.
The earlier October 2000 RAD document emphasized the importance which the neocon cabal placed on bioweapons (and other next generation war tech) stating: “Combat will likely take place in new dimensions: In space, cyber-space and perhaps the world of microbes… advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.”
There is always a potential danger from these labs and not just in Ukraine, but they are all over the place, and in countries that are not stable. I never understood that. I don't understand why the US would be funding the labs in Ukraine especially since it sees Russia as such a potential threat, and knows the possibility of them becoming a potential biological threat.
They are very intent on skipping the part where crimes against humanity committed by thousands of bureaucrats internationally are punished. Very intent.
Which strongly suggests to me that WHO has known of the US biowarfare labs in the Ukraine for quite some time. I guess I shouldn't be terribly surprised at the breadth of the US/Globalist Deep State shennanigans, but I try very hard not to conjure up conspiracy theories where there is a simpler explanation. In this case, I cannot think of one.
"The WHO would not say when it had made the recommendation nor did it provide specifics about the kinds of pathogens or toxins housed in Ukraine's laboratories. The agency also did not answer questions about whether its recommendations were followed."
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I agree this suggests the WHO has known about the labs, but disagree that covers Nuland's ass at all.
When I wrote "moved to" I thought a reader would assume it was an attempt. I probably should have been more specific. To completely cover Nuland's ass would take a huge tarpaulin (virtual or literal) indeed...
It’s hard to believe what’s true. Russia used the labs as propaganda to say we worked with Ukraine developing dangerous chemical weapons. For 2 weeks that’s a lie. Now, much like they did to trump up the Iraq war, we claim that these dangerous labs exist, and if Putin got it’s hand on them it could have dire consequences. It’s like a light bulb went off, we can use scare tactics to get the public behind our bullshit war. I mean you’d think it would be a hard sell to convince Americans some dispute over a piece of territory in Eastern Europe would have any effect on Americans.
No body forgot Vietnam. There was no plebiscite on Vietnam, or Iraq, or Afghanistan. As for you Chinese professor, the Uighers aren’t Han Chines. Neither are the Tibetans. Or the Vietnamese. Doesn’t that mean China is also indulging in racist wars. You have bought into a line of thought that the West is the most evil empire in the planet. While the West has a brutal history, it affords its citizens a degree of liberty and freedom that is the marvel of the world. Is it perfect, don’t be stupid. If I’m lying move to Cuba, Russia, China, Uzbekistan, Myanmar……
Interesting takes...though both are faulty. To claim that skin color is the reason for Vietnam is beyond absurd. Do you honestly think that if Yugoslavia had revolted during the Cold War that the US would not have intervened? And 3.5 million? I've looked at the higher end numbers and have not come within 2.5 million of that...and the figure of 1 million is death from all causes. My father is a Vietnam vet, he's told me since my teens of what went on there, and, among other tings, that the VC were treated the worst by the South Koreans. It makes sense, they suffered an invasion 15 years prior to my father's deployment and had no use for such rabble.
Ukraine strikes a chord because of Russiagate and the legacy press. You know, the same legacy press that claim Ukraine is a democratic country.
On the other hand, no referendums were allowed in any of those countries because of power. Additionally, referendums in Iraq would have split it into three warring factions, the Kurds, the Sunni Arabs and the Shia Arabs. Afghanistan would have been similar given it's large Tajik minority. The sad truth is that nobody in power cares about their wishes, along with the Tibetans and Uighurs. Ironically, in the past 100 years, Chinese have increased their percentage of the population of Sinking from 2% to 45% through colonization, much like Stalin did with Ukraine and Kazakhstan, flooding them with Russians.
The west has caused it's share of tragedies which need to be acknowledged, however they need to be acknowledged in the context of humanity. People can be brutal, period. They also need to be acknowledged without attempts at self-loathing by painting everything in the lens of race.
I do not condone or defend the imperial or colonial actions of any nation. Every nation, in my opinion, regardless of the dominant ideology is within their rights to liberate their nation from foreign occupation. That includes the Vietnamese, the Afghans, Polisario, the Timorese, the Ukrainians, etc. Of course things aren’t always that simple. The Vietnamese ouster of the PolPot regime might an instance where the issue presents as gray.
First compared to the East and North, Ukraine was and is a democratic government. It became more democratic after 2014 when the old Party-boss/oligarch model was pretty much wiped out. You forget that Russia too was a brief democracy before Putin eliminated any viable opposition..
You nonetheless implied there was validity to that figure. It's much like people who point to the USSR having murdered 'over 65 million' people. It's a distorted figure but it's used for useful idiots, much as figures of 'under 20 million' are (as even Khrushchev admitted the 20 million figure, and he had to walk a careful line not to make Stalin out to be too much of a villain or else loose credibility for himself). Furthermore the 1 million figure involves all fatalities from all sides put together, including the post-war red terror. I used that figure to show simply how absurd the one you cite is. The truth itself is horrendous enough, there is no need to inflate figures to fit a specific narrative, if anything that causes damage by delegitimizing what really happened. Look at the people who claim that Stalin's man-made famine in Ukraine killed 20 million in Ukraine, or even 10 million in Ukraine. Avoiding both that rot and the 'Stalin wasnt that bad' rot, you have 10 million dead in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, the north Caucasus and south Belarus combined. It's the same kind of delegitimization of the truth for personal aims and causes the same damage.
You mention proof, what proof do you have that there was a deliberate campaign to exterminate the Vietnamese? You speak of genocide yet all you have is your opinion on the internet no less. If you seek to claim that an author's book is the proof, that falls far short of the extraordinary evidence to back your extraordinary claims. I could site RFK Jr. as 'proof' that 'vaccines cause autism.' I know that, 9/11 being an inside job and the 'brither' claims are all BS but still. John Kerry got famous by making similar accusations and that's the only reason he got anywhere in politics, well that and marrying into money. What is there to make you think that McNamara isn't doing the same thing, trying to both remain relevant long after the conflict ceased and make money?
As for my father, he was stationed in 1968 in Tai Ninh or "rocket city in rocket alley" and worked retrograde. He saw, as he put it, how the human body worked without the skin covering it and had US troops die in his arms during large-scale mortar and rocket assaults and has difficulty watching any kind of medical show on TV or gory war movie as a result, even knowing that reenactments and special effects are fake. He spoke of how VC POWs always were beaten to a pulp by the South Koreans, something which makes sense as it was then only 15 years previous that the communist-sponsored invasion of South Korea ended and the South Koreans had no use for such rot. They should have directed the entire conflict.
You mention vets not wanting to have anything to do with you. I wonder why. You make unsupported claims based on no evidence I am aware of other than a few books, nothing of which can be corroborated. You also make claims about what people told you, yet what is there other than your account that any of it happened? Were their statements collected and verified? If so, where and how many people did you collect statements from? Were they from troop deployments in one place, one base, or scattered throughout the entire countryside and on US naval vessels? If they were scattered, were they collated proportionally to the troop numbers? Also, what years are you speaking of? You have a lot of holes to fill in if one is to even begin to believe an ounce of truth in what you say, and if you choose not to elaborate further, I honestly don't blame the majority of the Vietnam Vets for not wanting to associate with you. However, if you do have evidence beyond your mere personal POV and books without any confirmation, by all means, present it.
I do believe that your post is a case of self loathing due to the racial component, as it shares a lot of similarities with the garbage being spouted from the fountain of sewage called CRT. I am well aware of the racism that was within the US army during the late 60s and undoubtedly 70s as well, my father told me about it from a young age, whether from an officer who repeatedly mocked people of African descent when constantly beating them in checkers (he also said he watched how the guy played, and after awhile, crushed him, then trolled him). I was also told about a black draftee who had a football scholarship take shrapnel to the neck to knock down a white supremacist when he froze during incoming rounds...and the bastard never thanked him. Waste of two lives, one in the garbage who had his life saved yet could care less, the other in the unrealized potential of the true man who made the sacrifice all soldiers are trained to do and as a result, lost a shot at a well paying career. He also mentioned race based bar fights, chiefly in Basic, but also some overseas.
For good reason, too. Western atrocities get aired, Western societies learn and correct, Western Peoples progress (REAL progress, not the "progress" of Progressives).
The danger to humanity remains the same always: Fascists who go international.
Obama, Joe Biden, George Soros, John Brennan, John Kerry, Victoria Nuland, John McCain were ALL involved in the CIA Coup in Ukraine of 2014. It was the US (not Russia) who INVADED Ukraine - the US invaded Ukraine in 2014 - with that Coup.
100 innocent people were massacred in the main square of Kiev, by Snipers hired by OUR CIA. (by Eric Ciaramella, to be specific, under Brennan orders).
The Military-Industrial Complex and the CIA/NSA/NRO always need Wars, to sell weapons and to make $$$ Billions. No Wars = No money. To make Wars, they also need to manufacture Enemies, in the eyes of the gullible sheeple. The CIA controls all the TV Networks, and all the major newpapers, in the US and in Europe. The CIA Propaganda Machine.
It's wonderful and after reading I tried to add you as a paid subscription to my long list and it popped up a notice that said my card didn't support "this type of transaction".. Substack then happily added a different writer to my list with the one tick of a box so Substack has no problem w the card. If it happened to me there must be others too so check it out... support is too hard to accumulate to have more tech against you. :~)
Thank you, Pamela! - and thank you for letting me know. I will contact Substack support: it is the 2nd time in 3 days someone tells me this. May be some CIA mole at Substack or at Stripe doing the boycotting (they are everywhere).
This is not new: in Sept 2020, Amazon suppressed 2 of my 4 books. That happened 50 days before the elections. So I know I was over the target: I know who are the masterminds of the operation.
Thank you again, Pamela! - I will contact you by email
The only people in the West who believe the Maidan was a US coup have been reduced to either cultists of the left or the right, and Oliver Stone.. The name Nuland is their dog whistle and whenever her name is mentioned, the howling starts. Note many of the comments. Nuland was nothing more than a mid-level functionary, she was in Kyiv in 2014 because Kyiv was a State Department backwater. Look it up. Elevating her to the level of a political svengali and point person for US global expansion is a comedy, it is absurd on the face of it. On the other hand, objective histories of the Maidan are available. The unwillingness of some people to read more broadly is inexcusable. Venues like this, seem to allow proponents of these views to imagine themselves to be part of a powerful and growing consensus. They are wrong. Since the Maidan , millions of young Europeans travelled to Ukraine, it was cheap and fun, they did not find a country run by fascists. Instead, they found a country struggling to free itself from the lethargy and brutality of Putin’s Russia. The small circle of pro-Russian, pro-LPR/DRP, Putin supporters and apologists is shrinking by the day. Thank heavens there will always be venues like this for people like Greg Rubini. By the way, Greg, Hitler started WWII. You are a complete and utter idiots.
We've been through this before, and you keep trying to argue from shame and emotion. It's a habit with you.
That said, "undersecretary of state" is hardly some "midlevel functionary". Among other things, it's a presidential appointment.
For that matter, Zbigniew Brzezinski pointed out about Ukraine being key to undermining Russia. It's not "some backwater". For that matter, what kind of wack Senate Committee asks flunkies and "midlevel functionaries" to testify? And it's not the first time. Why, it's almost as if this midlevel functionary in some backwater is of some importance in the halls of power!
I am willing to believe that these labs may in fact be benign, but what we have been told so far just raises questions.
Relative to US interests in Russia, Ukraine has always been a backwater, Zbig B has been irrelevant in US policy since the days of Carter. He was washed up under Reagan. As for Nuland, her testimony before Rubio's committee demonstrates what a mediocrity she is. I'm no face of Russia but I acknowledge, Nuland probably couldn't cut it in Lavrov's Foreign ministry. If you are incapable of em option in the face of war, you may be a nihilist. Watch out Finster.
A cursory search of the career of Zbigniew Brzezinski would indicate something very different than what you claim.
For that matter, so would a google search of the words "Zbigniew Brzezinski influence".
Then again, since these allegations are coming from the person who claims that Nuland was a "midlevel functionary" and that we are engaged in brinksmanship potentially leading to WWIII over a backwater of no strategic importance, which leads me to conclude that you are making shit up.
Zbig B. was always a Kissinger wannabe. If and administration couldn’t get Kissinger, Zbig was the go to. He is a mediocrity which reinforces my earlier point, that there is more conformity that brains running US foreign policy. Ukraine was a backwater and Nuland was a mid-level apparachik.
Why would you be willing to believe that? Even if (huge if) the nominal and advertised purpose of the labs was to research defensive measures against bioterrorism, you don't think it's a slam dunk that assholes in the CIA and other natsec orgs were waiting with bated breath to leverage any and all developments for offensive purposes? And you don't think that perversion of function would have been a strong motivation by at least some high-level functionaries in those orgs for the creation of those labs in the first place?
Trite but true. But that's just my problem with your willingness to believe. To me, the claim that these labs are benign is the more extraordinary. The US installed the current government of Ukraine, making it little more than a US proxy state. Why would the US then establish, help to establish, or even allow the establishment of, biological warfare labs that have the sole purpose of identifying defenses to bio attacks there? Do you seriously think it likely that the Ukraine regime undertook to establish these labs entirely on their own initiative? The crucial question to me is, if the labs are benign, why did the US NatSec apparatus think it necessary that they be located in Eastern Europe, instead of, say, in Betheda, Maryland? On the other hand, if the purpose of the labs is to research very dangerous biological agents for use by the US and allies in attacking opposing forces, locating those labs in a place with a population that US NatSec considers to be expendable, and that is relatively near to a theater where such agents might plausibly be deployed in the near future, makes a great deal of sense.
I think the US would be willing to use Ukraine for off the books research? Yes. This will all get sorted out sooner or later. My Amin point here is that Nuland is a tool, and not a bright one.
Ukraine was a backwater. Nuland was a martinet. Trump called out the state department functionaries as dim bulbs. Was he wrong, he was describing Nuland. Its funny a lot of people on the left and now the right like to insinuate that the DEEP State s filled with hacks, sycophants and idiots. And then hen these same people want to blame for US for nefarious acts, these same idiots become James Bond. Be real. You are defending Nuland's competence.
Do you not agree that the US Congress is filled with hacks? Do you not agree that those hacks leverage their power to do real damage? How is that argument different from the one you have posited and dismissed out of hand?
I agree with you about the political class. I agree that they can be/are cynical and dangerous. I’ll go further and say that the media, academia and the cultural elites are largely complicit. What I can not agree to is that a narrow spectrum of opinion, that runs counter to the dominant narrative, is by itself, always correct or true. The negation of a lie is not a proof of the truth. Lies can also, seemingly, be negated by other lies. We live in an age and a country when there is an overload of information. Anyone can find a point of view that corresponds to their own and one that is also supported by a limited group of like-minded thinkers. I have come to believe that the truth is elusive and that there is no select group of people who have a monopoly over it. Everything shred of news should be balanced against all other information. Knowledge is a process of synthesis, not memorization. A broad understanding of history helps. I struggle to find the truth like everyone else. But when people can not even agree on the basic facts or chronologies of a thing, what is the point of discourse?
It does indeed seem that the Deep state is filled with dimwits. Or the stupidest smart people. Mostly hardened ideologues.
The sad part is that these people do have all the power. And they use it. And that's why we are where we are. They are extremely afraid to lose the face. That's why the thought of openly admitting Ukraine will never be a NATO member is impossible for them.
Ukraine will join NATO when Russia becomes a democratic nations of laws. As long as a narrow military clique rules the Kremlin, the Russian people will have no input into the foreign or domestic policies of their nation. What is happening in Ukraine is not a war between the Russian and Ukrainian people, it is a result of the world view and paranoia of a single man and his retinue of yes men. Ukrainians and Russians have lived side by side, intermarried for years. This war has broken something that was very deep. Among Russians that know what is going on, this was war has brought a deep sense of shame. Sadly, the Russian people will now learn the true cost of unaccountable leadership.
What about Nuland's phone call to Jeffery Pyatt in which they discuss who should be Ukraine's next president? How do you work that into your narrative that this was not a US backed coup? Yes there were many in Ukraine who wanted to oust the elected president, but they were assisted by the US that wanted to oust a pro-Russian government, so they could install someone who would bow to our anti-Russia agenda. Biden calls for the IMF to let money flow into the Ukraine after the coup and somehow it flows back out, but through his son he caught some of it, and who knows how much more. Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe and the 9th most corrupt country in the world. Your denial of the degree of fascism in Ukraine is very disingenuous since they have already infiltrated the military. It is the main reason some 14, thousand have died in the Donbas, many of whom were of Russian ethnicity. Or answer the question why have statues of Bandera been erected in western Ukraine? By the way, don't underestimate neocons like Nuland, especially since her husband Kagan is one of the most, if not the most influential of neocons, and runs the Brooking's institute.
Fran, have you ever heard of Holodomor.? Have you ever read Solzhenitsyn? Have you ever heard of Nemtsov? Politskaya? The Chechen Wars? There is context to everything. You provide nothing, a slew of one line statements, none substantiated. I could start to take each of you comments on one at a time. I am going to wait until all the proPtiun trolls have finished and I’ll write an answer it once. A piece of advice, if everything you read comes from a narrow spectrum of sources, you might not grasp the complexity of certain issues. In fact you may not even grasp the true facts. Your paragra
The history of Russia and Ukraine does not begin with Victoria Nuland, it doesn’t end there either. The suppression of Ukrainian national aspirations by the Tsars, the USSR and Russia is a long tale. Your comments concerning the Ukrainians at Maidan do not recognize agency among Ukrainians. It is demeaning and arrogant. It is also light on context. Yanukovych was neither loved, nor liked nor admired by the Ukrainian people. He was a tool of oligarchs in Donetsk, a tough guy. A Soviet-style man, who won the Presidency by virtual default after years of incompetence and corruption by his predecessors. The Maidan revolt lasted 100 days. It began with student demonstrators who were beaten mercilessly by the militia. This created general revulsion across Ukraine and increasingly radicalized the population against the regime. Over time, brutal police tactics were met by street fighting units filled by former soldiers and young radicalized men. As the sides hardened, Russian paramilitary and intelligence resources were introduced to strengthen Yanukovych regime’s resolve. It ended with militia troops firing on unarmed demonstrators, killing about 100. These facts are accepted by almost everyone except the Kremlin and a small minority here in the west who discern the dark hand of the CIA everywhere. The Maidan was not the overthrow of Arbenz, Mossedegh or Allende. The closest recent analogy might be the Tahir Square uprising that toppled Mubarak. The west, in this case Nuland, had to step in, very late, to assure they would blunt the radicalized demands of the Ukrainian street. If Nuland or Obama had wanted to really upset relations with Moscow, they would have armed Ukraine. Remember Obama’ s reset. Victoria Nuland is no hero in Ukraine. Their interests are not hers and her interests are not theirs. The experts at State and the CIA expected the Ukraine to fold in three days. Biden did not want to exclude Russia from swift. He did not want to ban Russian oil sales. He is being dragged into this by the actions of Putin and the revulsion and fear it has generated in Europe. The US has never given a shit about Ukraine..
Facts: 8.7 million Soviet combat soldiers died to defend Europe & US against Nat’l Socialists. But we claim we won WWll - 609,000 combat deaths including the Pacific Theater & oh hell yeah two nuclear bombs.
So Putin wants his last non -NATO sphere and no labs next door - which makes perfect sense. Same as the Cuban Missile Crisis for us.
Now the EU & England & our tech with our Gov’t, are defending democracy and free speech by censoring free speech -along with books and artists. We have become our enemy. The terrorists have won.
What to do?Many legislators are lockstep money grabbers by speed dial and we cannot vote them out because neolibs & neocons are one entity arming the world.
Today a good source is from people of Moldova, Poland, Baltic states. Soon probably from Romania. Mostly talking about the 'refugees' in their S-class Mercedes.
I may have summarized my account, but I have not just recently arrived on the political scene as you are suggesting. I know a good deal about the neocon agenda, which has been adopted by the US, and accounts for our Middle Eastern wars. I am also aware that the expansion of NATO which really got underway during Bill Clinton's administration, and now some 20 years later has arrived at Russia's front door. I know we have installed so called anti-ballistic missiles in Poland and Ukraine with Obama's lie that they were put there just in case Iran went on an attack. Absurd! Yes I heard of the Holodomor and no one as of yet, to my understanding, can determine whether that was deliberate on the part of the Soviet Union under Stalin, or due to the Soviet Union's industrialization. Stalin in the 1930's was the go to man who could inform you as to whether this was a genocide. It's 2022. I think you would have a better understanding of things if you set your mind on dealing with the hear and now and the more recent past. You know what they say about those that assume, which you are, that my perceptions are solely based on a narrow spectrum of sources, but they are not.
You make several points . I will attempt to address them 1). we are not talking about the Middle East 2) The expansion of Nato. Yes it happened. It took no tanks or bullets. The vast majority of people in Eastern Europe joined enthusiastically because their real fear came from the East, Russia. These countries experienced Russian/Soviet domination and remember those times as a dark age. The expansion of NATO was defensive, the threat of aggression was always from Moscow. Today, Finland and Sweden are considering joining NATO. This is a consequence of Putin’s action, not the US’s. 3) There are no anti-ballistic missiles in Ukraine. Ukraine gave up its nukes in 1994 in the Budapest Accord in exchange for guarantees from Britain, the US and Russia with respect to the sovereignty of its borders. So much for paper. You can look it up. 4) The-famine in Ukraine in the 1930s is now well documented. The archives are open. Red Famine by Anne Applebaum is the latest serious book in English to use the archives. There are others. It is pretty clear that Stalin’s policy was to extract as much grain as possible from the peasantry to fund capital purchases in the west for industrialization. The USSR exported grain as millions starved. Sholokhov described the inhumanity of the grain raids on peasant farmers. Your inability to determine if this was genocide is besides the point. It was a famine that served a political purpose. The human cost was unimaginable. Of the Irish potato famine, it was said, God brought the potato blight, the British brought the famine. In Ukraine, the Communist Party brought the famine. Your lack of depth concerning one of the worst famines in the 20th century is surprising given your self-proclaimed knowledge of politics and history. Finally, you suggest I am making assumptions. It is you that have thrown accusations and slurs, unsubstantiated by reputable sources. I have tried to address each of your points. My advice to you is to read more widely. Try to be less shrill.
The patronizing tone of your comments and rattling off of irrelevant questions suggests you are a Leftist idiot who hates America and her people. Sharing this country with creeps like you is becoming unsustainable-move yourself and your toxic ideology somewhere else.
From the bluntness of international political reality, what is more important to you, pushing Russia into China's arms over Ukraine, or having Ukraine exist as a buffer state? You can come up with everything wrong that Russia has done to Ukraine going back to when it was first conquered from Poland in the 1600s, however that does not change current geopolitical realities.
Thanks to the idiots in both DC and the EU, Russia has been pushed into China's arms. To top things off, Putin is the beta despot, Xi is the alpha, much like Mussolini was the beta and Hitler the alpha. In both cases, the alphas ordered the betas around and in both cases, the alphas have concentration camps.
You ask an interesting question. I think Russia has a dilemma. They are no longer a genuine world power. Their GDP is the size of South Korea’s. Their population is in free fall. Putin has deluded himself that Russia is a still world power but it is a foolish delusion. Over the long term, Russia will either have to side with the West, full economic integration, or it will become a vassal state of the Chinese. Xi might parade about with Put today, but among his own people, Xi must view Putin as a tin pot authoritarian running a second rate country that also happens to contain large supplies of raw materials and energy that China could use. China will never make Russia a partner, it will make Russia a dependency. Russians at some point are going to have to accept that the world has only two power blocs, China and the West. There is simply no room for three super powers in the world any longer. While Putin may not see this, some of his oligarchs already do. They are not running to buy homes in China, or apply for Chinese citizenship. They are they interested in having their kids learn Chinese. Post-Putin, Russian leaders will see, I hope that the best option they have it to join the West. The alternative would be dire.
Blind obedience to the feckless traitors running the US government is not a sign of patriotism or honor, you are complicit in crimes against America and her citizens. Shame on you for being either a paid troll, a useful idiot, or simply a fool.
I don't want to call him a troll because his opinion is different then mine, or yours. It is infuriating to realize had our government acted in good conscience after the Berlin wall came down, and not expanded NATO into Russia's front yard, and if we had not pursued a neocon policy of world domination we wouldn't be here now. I was so disgusted with Linsay Graham's comment on calling for Putin's assassination, but at least he got some blow back from his idiotic remark. I wish we would teach our children to adopt a global perspective on the world then people would not be so easily manipulated by it's country's propaganda.
I'll give someone a month or so on here before calling them a troll as people have good and bad days and such (I know the comment wasn't directed at me but still.)
As for NATO, I fully agree that all nations which were independent during the interwar years should be allowed to join. At the same time, Russia needs buffer states, and it's a shame there is no 25th amendment for Congress as Graham should be sacked.
Well, I just had a very bad experience with someone on the Matt T site who was so rude, and repeatedly used such filthy, and degrading language responding to my posts I even reported it. True Russia needs buffer states and this is always what it was about. When you read about the missile crises in the 1960's where Khrushchev put missile sites in Cuba one can truly understand why we perceived it as a threat. There were also people, too many of them, who felt we should engage Russia in nuclear war even though acknowledging many, many thousands of lives would be lost in the US but we would ultimately win. I hope no one in government today is thinking along those lines. NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!
What Russia really needs is a "survivable nuclear deterrent", something that American ABM's genuinely threaten. In particular, ABM's right on their border.
China does not have a survivable nuclear deterrent. But they will.
I want to see the new and revised list of "Countries to be destroyed".
Blind obedience is what the swamp rats count on, that and their anonymity. Sadly, I can't see a Congress willing to debate and pass a bill which would give them access to all DC operations on command due to fear and bribery.
We need politicians who have more than a wax spine.
This horrible predicament we find ourselves in will pass like so many other episodes before. The enemy of the people, the Democratic Party, is controlled by a cabal of corrupt perverts that happen to be older than dirt.
And what Neo-Trotskyite groupule are you in? Or are you a Neo-Stalinist? Chomskyite? Tucker Carlson man? You are certainly a didactic, I just can't discern white one. Write mer, give me a hint or do you just chime in to support your smarter buddies? Oregoncharles. I can't even imagine.
Owen, you are not an independent thinker or a deep one. If you read my comments, you you see that I generally back up what I saw. with nits, I just don’t waste the time. These people you are defending are pulling info from a narrow slice of the ideological spectrum. If you don’t see that, you are one of them.
WWII started with the Fourth Partition of Poland in 1939. The only reason anyone says anything positive about the USSR is Hitler used them as useful idiots. In reality, they were of the same shit. Just as Hitler planned to deport 100 million 'Slavs' to Siberia in order to make way for German colonists, Stalin deported 25 million 'enemies' to make way for his territorial greed, some of which, ironically, to this day, remains in Ukraine. Think of Lwow, the Polish city now known as Lviv. In 1931, there were 2.5 million Poles in what is now Ukraine. Now there are under 100,000. What happened? Stalin.
I've read various accounts of the Maidan event that all take a given POV. We really won't know for some 30 years what the reality was. I was stunned by declassification of events that I TOOK PART OF where at the time I was quite unaware of the full story. So the various trash talking over the who what when remains speculation - pick a side or two, play on.
So the conversation between Nuland and Pyatt who were deciding who should head up the government in Ukraine was just some nation building talk, or spreading democracy as they say, and not interfering in the affairs of a foreign country? No doubt they felt they were in a position to do so because they assisted in the coup that overturned an elected president. It was Obama's coup, and Biden was in charge. They say Nuland was handing out cookies to those who were participating in the coup, but some say they were sandwiches. Whatever, but it sure looks like she took most of them home and ate them herself. Catty, I know.
I have no idea what those two were thinking they were doing. Wasn't there. The claim "assisted in the coup" is widely asserted. Elected President reads like that guy Trudeau. He was elected as well but by a fractional minority. I won't even get into Ukraine politics about legitimacy of elections. I can always agree that often he US imagines itself in more control than it really is/has. President Z seems to be getting a lot of popular support on the ground, all the puffery aside. The past and who messes with the rice bowls is interesting but pointless in the ongoing war. As I note truth comes slowly, if at all.
Go to the library. Go to the archives, pick you sources. The Guardian, The Economist, The New York Times, Then are biased but reasonable. Find Russian sources. Evaluate everything. Do you read French? German? There are several documentaries. See them all, decide which narrative rings truest to you. Unfortunately, this work. It is not as easy as reading a narrow spectrum of sources that all cite each other and never disagree. There problem too often in places like this is people throw facts with no context. There is no messiah, not Chomsky, not Taibbi, not Greenwald, not Carlson, not Blinken, not Lavrov. Like the man said, the truth is out there. If the narrative is too pat, hold on tighter to your wallet.
Fair enough here's some help. Piece the activity together this CIA timeline of other coups lest we have any doubt they do ally with terrorists to achieve regime change. Then use MSM reporting of Brennan's visit just prior to the massacre to establish involvement.
Absolutely! the so-called "European Union" is The Fourth Reich, re-branded, and with an updated flag. Where is the Euro printed? in Frankfurt, Germany. Which is the most powerful Nation in the "EU"? Germany. You just need to compare the Map of the Third Reich in June 1941 with the Map of the EU today: exactly the same.
Are the owners of the Federal Reserve (private corporation) the same owners of the European Central Bank?
It's worse than that, as who leads Germany now other than self-hating urban elites? Who leads just about every country which wasn't under the thumb of the USSR during the Cold War? The same idiots.
They push to expand and control at the same time as they seek to punish their subjects with CRT, DIE (more accurate than DEI) and intersexuality garbage.
Edit: Instead of pushing genocide, they push sadomasochism by making their people emotionally suffer so they, the swamp rats/urban elite, can feel better about themselves.
I agree with her for once! Then again a broken clock is right twice a day. Nuland seems to know how to bathe and put her clothes on, as well as how to eat, possibly through a crash course from Michael Moore, so that explains the other things she 'gets right.'
Watching Stone's video on the Maidan, by itself, to the exclusion of others is like diving down a rabbit hole. By recommending it without also suggesting other interested people that a different narrative exists is intellectually dishonest. There is no single narrative that captures the history of Maidan.
“The Project for a New American Century and the Age of Bioweapons: 20 Years of Psychological Terror“:
The Age of Bioweapons and PNAC
“This anthrax attack led quickly into the 2004 Bioshield Act with a $5 billion budget and mandate to “pre-empt and defend further bioweapon attacks”. This new chapter of the revolution in military affairs was to be coordinated from leading bioweapons facility at the Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick. Since 2002, over $50 billion has been spent on Bioweapons research and defense to date.
The earlier October 2000 RAD document emphasized the importance which the neocon cabal placed on bioweapons (and other next generation war tech) stating: “Combat will likely take place in new dimensions: In space, cyber-space and perhaps the world of microbes… advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool”.
People who are worried about biological weapons research facilities need to relax. The chance of a dangerous virus escaping from such a facility is diminishingly small. I can only think of one or two pandemics that have been started this way.
Not only viruses, just look at what happened with Killer Bees from the experiment in Brazil. Per Murphy's Law, "If something can go wrong it will go wrong."
I understand the argument. As I've said before, I find quibble over labels largely pointless semantic fights. Isolationism in this context simply is a short-hand phrase for not wanting to right wars, engage in military intervention, or engineer regime change operations -- only use military force if the US is attacked. I'm well-aware and have often said that Paul's view (and Trump's for that matter) is that the US should trade with everyone, have peaceful relations with everyone, etc. --- not close up the country and refuse to engage. That's why I called it neo-isolationism as a contrast with neoconservatism. It's just a shorthand label to signify a ideology that everyone recognizes.
But isolationism doesn't really mean that in other contexts. North Korea is isolationist. I've been reading you for so long that I know what you meant, but when we use the same disparaging terms as the neocons, we've already lost the argument. Broad diplomatic trade relations sounds much better than neo-isolationism, and more correctly conveys the goal of the strategy.
As always, this is a tiny tiny nitpick in the vast ocean of amazing work you do!
There is a difference between a 'hard isolationist' who will never go to war, and a 'soft isolationist' who will go to war for a just war but not anything else.
Both Ron Paul and Tulsi Gabbard seem to be 'soft isolationists.'
"a 'soft isolationist' who will go to war for a just war..."
I agree with the sentiment, but "just war" is a vague definition. Warmongers feel passionately that their wars are "just" but they are consistently and reliably wrong. Madeleine Albright said the deaths of 500,000 children in Iraq were "just"ified to prevent the use of WMD, which were nonexistent.... or was it to save Kuwaiti babies in incubators which were also nonexistent? Is it "just" to launch a war and kill millions of people to prevent a nonexistent threat? Americans and soldiers were lied to. They went to Iraq with a feeling that they were doing the right thing, they were deceived and lied to. We are constantly fed lies by the ruling class and its not easy to sort them out. War is insanity, that's for sure. If corporate media tells me anything, I usually assume the exact opposite is true, until I'm proven wrong.
What circumstances would make a war "just"? Self defense is one - to protect oneself and community from imminent death. Beyond that its gets complicated, especially when 99% of what we're told by corporate media is lies. I believe that neocons feel deep down inside, in a passionate and heartfelt way, that money justifies war and death. If killing millions of people results in them owning nicer suits, owning nicer cars and owning nicer houses then the war is "just" to them, and they support and promote it without a second thought, and they get very excited about it, frenzied. What's weird is that their angry, frenzied and hateful bloodlust is channeled not into violence but into getting others to be violent on their behalf. They are cowards. They cheer violence and then run away from it. That's who we're dealing with here, those are many of our "leaders". The few "leaders" who know better are too weak and timid to speak out against the warmongers.
The last 'just wars' the US engaged in were the Gulf War in 1990/91 and the initial deposing of the Taliban. In the Gulf War, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia asked for help in throwing Hussein out. I am aware of the dubious tactics they used behind closed doors to pull the US into the conflict, but it was nonetheless a case of being pulled into a military conflict by allies.
Afghanistan was a bee-hive of Jihadists...as is Pakistan now. They allowed for the facilitation of 9/11 and had the leader of the Northern Alliance murdered just beforehand because they knew such actions would trigger a US response and didn't want him to assume power as a legitimate ruler. Beyond that, Afghanistan was a travesty on so many levels. A constitutional monarchy could have been set up as a legitimate form of government. Instead, the last legitimate ruler of Afghanistan was cast aside for some random politihack.
Those conflicts aside, Iraq in 03, Libya, Syria...none of them could even remotely be described as just wars. There may be some case for justification for the Yugoslav wars in the 90s, but that seemed more like BJ Clinton wanting to distract from his perjury under oath which DNA proved to be lies.
Iraq in 03, Libya, Syria...none of them could even remotely be described as just wars"
Yes, and three strikes your OUT. No more regime change, ever. Entering Afghanistan to get bin Laden was justified but a complete failure, in fact Bin Laden and the Jihadists were trained and funded by the CIA during an earlier misadventure and motivated by the establishment of a US military base in Saudi Arabia during Gulf War I. One fuck up leads to another. Yugoslavia should have been handled by Europe, the same as Ukraine should be now. Europe has four members of the G7, they have the capacity to solve their own problems.
The military-industrial-complex and their hangers on screw up everything they touch, they have completely squandered the reputation of the USA around the world which will only make things more difficult for them. WWII was a just war but any goodwill from that is gone now.
The origin of the chaos in Afghanistan is more complex, as 3/4 of the funding came from the Muslim World, largely via Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The US gave weapons and money, sure, however it was the Saudis and Pakistanis who did most of the heavy lifting.
Ironically it was Saudi Arabia's call for aid against Hussein which caused the Jihadists to switch targets, because the Saudis turned down their ragtag band in favor of the US army in order to mow down Hussein's million man army. Since non-Muslims entered Saudi Arabia, we, both the US and Saudi Royal Family, became their targets. As you said, one fuck up turned into another and nothing happens.
You are correct about Yugoslavia, and the truly sad thing is just how badly the 'G7' handled things. A decade ago, I used the 1991 census data for Bosnia and Croatia on how to draw just borders there. The frontiers I drew added a third polity to Bosnia where there were and are now only two...and would have resulted in 1.6 million displaced people. That may sound horrid, but the peace the 'experts' worked out resulted in 2.2 million displaced people with fewer political entities created. It shows how inept they are, especially given I was using the same data they were.
If the problem was in Saudi Arabia (where the 911 hijackers and bin Laden came from and probably where the plan was hatched) that country should have been the focus. But it wasn't the focus due to incompetence, cowardice and/or corruption. Whoever is making the decisions about which country to invade are clearly not fit to do so, and that's why regime change and foreign coups should stop. If they did not fuck it up every single time then an argument could be made in favor of it, but they never get it right even once. Iran, now a perpetual enemy was at one time a secular democracy...until they stopped cooperating with Shell Oil and then someone decided they needed a puppet Shah instead of a prime minister.
Regarding borders, the British Empire used to deliberately draw borders in the wrong places (combining people of different religions into one country for instance) in order to get the people in the new countries to fight each other - the old game of divide and conquer.
It was not used in a derogatory manner so....just ignore it. Personally, among the last thing I want to see those who advocate limited warfare enter the oppression olympics.
Oliver Stone's "Ukraine on Fire" includes her larger "oops" when chatting up her complicit participation in Ukrainian elections...it was not charming, but then, neither is she...
FTA: "Google Inc, has deleted the award-winning Oliver Stone documentary “Ukraine on Fire.” [skip]. In response to the effort by Big Tech, NATO, the collective western governments and World Economic Forum, the producer, director and copyright owner Igor Lopatonok has released the copyright and made the documentary available for open download" and direct viewing on Rumble:
yes, Igor Lopatonok told me that. We are in Full Fascism right now, in America. And it will go worse and worse. You have done a good thing, Martha, by sharing the link
If you are still in contact with Mr. Lopatonok, please let him know that his work is exceptional and so incredibly important. I hope for a re-release, but the current political hysteria may not allow it!
I'm not so sure it was a mistake by Nuland. She's too experienced a hand at neo-con deception. It may have been a way to get out in front of the issue. They may know that Russia is already in control of one or more of the labs, and is marshaling the proof of what was actually going on. And of course if anything really nasty gets out, well, it's all Russia's fault. 100%!
Yeah, I wonder. I agree with you that she's not the type of person to make a huge mistake this way. It's possible - -and it sounds as if -- working the Ukrainians to secure these labs is what she has been working on most in the last few days, such that when Rubio asked, it was on her mind. It's hard to know her motives. It's just bizarre to throw it out there the way she did, knowing how it would be understood, and it clearly freaked out Rubio which is why he interrupted and so desperately directed her to make that ridiculous claim.
They are usually practiced, rehearsed, and expecting the question. Government officials get caught accidentally telling the truth all the time. Its the media's job to memory hole it and pretend it never happened.
Glenn, I'm surprised that you are so naive about Victoria Nuland. It is clear that Nuland is trying to “Cover her Fat A$$” (and cover the Pentagon Ass$$) for the shenanigans they have done in Ukraine since 2014 (including the 30 BioWeapons Labs the Pentagon built in Ukraine). I'm surprised that you are unaware of the 2014 Coup that the CIA organized in Ukraine in 2014. You can learn about that Coup in my article on Substack, published in January: https://gregrubini.substack.com/p/massacre-ukraine-2014
That 2014 Coup was organized by John Brennan (then Director of the CIA) and approved by Barack Obama. Victoria Nuland, John Kerry (Sec. of State), Joe Biden (VP) and George Soros played a major role in that Coup in Ukraine. 100 innocent people were killed by SNIPERS in the main square of Kiev. Those snipers were hired by the CIA Operative Eric Ciaramella. (Ciaramella was the famous “secret whistleblower” of Adam Schiff in the Trump Impeachment - “his name cannot be spoken”). Ciaramella speaks Ukrainian, Russian, Georgian and Arabic. He graduated at Yale, in 2008. Ciaramella voter ID: 003427486 (registered Democrat) - you can check.
2) https://gregrubini.squarespace.com/ciaramella2 - Eric Ciaramella is a “Brennan boy”, and very close to Obama and Joe Biden. Joe Biden flew with Ciaramella a dozen times to Ukraine, on Air Force Two, between 2014 and 2016.
Therefore, if we want to be objective, it was the US that INVADED Ukraine, back in 2014.
What Russia wants, with this Military Operation, is to restore Ukraine as a Neutral Nation, as a buffer between NATO and Russia. Putin has been very clear about that. For Russia, having a hostile NATO puppet regime at their borders is a National Security issue, and a military menace.
2) Glenn, you know, and I know, that all the Western media are controlled by the CIA (since the 1950's). It is the CIA which controls the Narrative in the US and in Europe. The CIA Propaganda Machine. (You know that: Church Committee - 1975, Carl Bernstein article of 1977).
What we are seeing now, in this total Madness, is the CIA Propaganda Machine in action, Full Steam.
Now let's reverse the table...
Imagine if the Russians had organized a Coup in Canada in 2014, installed there a pro-Russian puppet regime, built 30 BioWeapon Labs in Canada and brought in Canada Nuclear armed ICBM's pointed at the US...
This is exactly what the US has done in Ukraine, from 2014 onwards.
It could have been a spontaneous utterance. I've seen a lot of documentary on criminal cases (primarily murder) and suspects at times when confronted with what they did speak as if subconsciously. I'd say that is likely what happened, though once Nuland realized what she said, she could not walk it back.
"It's just bizarre to throw it out there the way she did, knowing how it would be understood, and it clearly freaked out Rubio which is why he interrupted and so desperately directed her to make that ridiculous claim."
Which in turn *suggests* that Rubio *may* also know something here.
Is there some kind of pathological compulsion that makes our foreign policy establishment do shady, short sighted shit that blows up in our faces? Does no one ask is this really in our interests? What is the worst case scenario if we do this? What do we actually gain from this? How much of a political shit show occurs if this all falls apart? Are we the baddies? You know, basic questions.
I'm coming around to understanding the pathology you described as being caused by late stage capitalism. For me, that's the overarching driver of what's going on. Markets and profits above all.
It’s not that it’s late stage capitalism, it’s Corporatist Capitalism, working on becoming Totalitarian Corporatist Capitalism. We all know what Mussolini called it.
Late stage capitalism, Corporatist Capitalism, the Corptocracy, all these labels point at the same thing. This sub-thread reminds me of the story of a bunch of blind men trying to describe an elephant.
Not at all. This isn't Twit, y'know. I'm baffled by your finding 'late stage capitalism' so offensive you want me not to use it. Still baffled, but now apathetic, so I'm good.
What we're seeing is not capitalism in any sense of the word. It's purely out-of-control government, which I clearly stated in my initial reply to you.
Agreed, the only reason this is going on is because of government employee unions, ceasing to fire individuals whom repeatedly fail and granting powers to un-named bureaucrats which allows them to operate without oversight from Congress, the President and the Courts.
What do you mean by 'protect' regarding capitalism?
Look, I have no problem getting into this with you. Let me define my terms:
When I say 'capitalism', I'm referring to the over financialized nature of our current society. I'm not talking about small businesses (not publicly traded is one characteristic of small businesses).
I'm referring to the massive corporations out there that ultimately call the shots as to what the United States (and pretty much the West) do. Their first loyalty is to their 'shareholders'. Now, the institutions (or wealthy individuals) were not (generally speaking) original investors in these companies; they are currently speculators betting that the value of the shares they own will increase over time so that when they sell they will make a profit.
One thing I've seen repeat over and over again is that corporate share prices increase for many, many reasons other than a better product being developed that they can bring to market.
No, instead, I see case after case occur of stock prices going up because of layoffs, outsourcing, mergers, and so on. I'll refer you to Matt Stoeller's substack here to round out the background of this claim.
Furthermore, I've come to the realization in the last 3-4 years...
Corporate capitalists (that's probably a more accurate term for what I mean) now look at their customer base as a resource to be exploited. No longer as a customer who's business is to be earned, but more like a mark to take to the cleaners as much as possible. A glance at the airline/travel industry is a good example. Or, for that matter, grocery shopping, where in the name of 'the environment' we're now being charged for shopping bags, but without any commesurate price decline in the aisles.
Corporate capitalism is constantly seeking, like a blood sucking lamprey an ever higher share holder price. And will don anything, anything to ensure that.
This starts with the insider's club that is the Federal Reserve Bank. Which is, to be honest, a horror-story house of cards on the brink of collapse. (see Lenoard 'The Lords Of Easy Money').
I personally believe that collapse has already begun.
So when I used the term 'late stage capitalism' this is what I was talking about.
"What do you mean by 'protect' regarding capitalism?"
Capitalism, the politico-economic system whereby the individual is elevated above the group (including, of course, the State, and the State's excuse, Society) in philosophical precedence, is the object of Western Civilization that must be defended and protected. You might recognize it as Classical Liberalism.
Yeah, I read Atlas Shrugged too. Your definition reeks of Ayn Rand (maybe Paul Ryan?).
Sad to say, we really can't discuss this any further because we don't have a common language. The shallow definition you put up...oh god...had a degree of validity back in the late '50's when Rand wrote her book, but that socio-economic system no longer exists. In the last 70 or so years it's morphed/mutated into a completely different entity.
You need to read more in order to speak more intelligently.
I'm not going to continue an argument with someone so uninformed. It's a waste of time. You need to update your assumptions and conclusions as far as I'm concerned.
So! Get your last word in! I won't be responding, but you can mark it as a win, okay?
You could be a bit less snarky and condescending. Reminds me of Psaki. You also mention intellect, however as Steven Hawking said, "Only loosers brag about their IQ's".
Yes basic questions, good questions, simple questions, honest questions. What does that mean? Maybe you answered your own questions. Maybe we just don’t want to believe it, but, yes indeed, demonstrably and repeatedly - WE ARE THE BADDIES! New frame of reference is required, to move forward we must assume yes we are the problem. (I’m Canadian but no matter Canada is fully complicit .)
The Ukraine is being used as a throwaway country with throwaway people by political sociopaths like the neocons. Drunk with the power to manipulate (and destroy) others so they can continue what used to be described as The Great Game, they rely (with plenty of evidence) on the fact that they personally will never suffer punishment. Very telling that Rubio provided cover rather than pressing her for details and evidence of these potentially dangerous labs.
I found his constant harping on about a "new American century" to be a big red flag considering the damage the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has done.
Pretty deep. If you want to "go deep" on Rubio, read the following, follow the links, follow the links in the linked articles, and you will find plenty of reasons not to trust Mr. Rubio:
Sad, truly sad. Sadly I'm not completely surprised. The circle the wagon tactic...most likely regarding Trump's plans to pardon Snowden and Assange. If that is indeed the case, he should be sacked.
Lil Marco is one of my senators. A more pathetic Neocon water-carrier would be difficult to find. That's one good thing Trump did, in destroying Marco in the debates.
He's got a sinecure thanks to the Cuban ex-pat community vote, doesn't he? Too bad some other, more honest candidate couldn't somehow erode that support
Glenn...you and Tiabbi are the new NYTimes and Washington Post...difficult to discuss with friends when all resort to propaganda like "isolationist" if one ever disagrees with these two neo con parties...im forwarding your articles non stop...and it's SLOWLY working!!!!
I used a $50.00 check I got as a Christmas gift from an aunt who listens to NPR all of the time. She'd go ballistic if she found out I used her gift to support Greenwald. Some discretion is advised in who you ask to support.
Why would you insult a fine pair like Glen and Matt by comparing them to the NY Slime and the Wash Putz. They have been warmongering stooges of the MIC, CIA & Corporatism since at least the 1950s.
The NYT had a useful idiot in the USSR during Stalin's man-made famine of 1932-1933 who said "There is no famine." His Pulitzer Prize has yet to be revoked.
Thx to Wikileaks we know all about Victoria "F--k the EU" Nuland......In her rarefied world unintended consequences are like, you know, expected and soooo tiresome....
This is an extremely important story. This is stunningly dangerous situation. Nuclear power plants, Chernoble, bioweapons plants, with Russians bombing the heck of out everything in sight and threatening to use targeted battlefield nukes, while our government is pushing for a shooting war with Russia via a no fly zone. This is about as perilous as it gets and the war propaganda is non-stop, not that Americas neo-liberal interventionists and neocons need much provocation.
It's important to note that anyone saying Ukraine can stop the Russian Army is lying. It’s standard war propaganda to say the enemy is weak, is poorly supplied, are badly trained, has a losing strategy, has low morale, and is going to lose. But it’s bullshit. It’s lies. Stop believing it. It’s nonsense.
The Pentagon and CIA are controlling the media narrative to keep Ukraine fighting an unwinnable war— in hopes of making them a failed state, quagmire and proxy war to destabilize Putin’s regime. Do they care that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are going to die? No, they don't.
Will the Pentagon and CIA succeed in creating regime change in Russia via this humanitarian disaster, they are encouraging, and the proxy war they are waging? No. They won't, because people rally around their evil garbage leader when their country is being economically attacked. And China is going to buy their oil and gas and float their economy with financial instruments. So buckle up for the long haul.
The worst part of this harebrained "strategy" by our CIA and Pentagon is that the American people tired of these propaganda campaigns and protracted wars. By summer Americans will be calling for us to end this immediately. Then what does Biden do? I hope nothing. Let's all hope nothing. Because the only tool left in the toolbox at that point is WWIII.
They also claim he is insane and unhinged, but apparently don't worry about him firing nuclear warheads should NATO impose a no fly zone. I'd laugh at their doublespeak if it wasn't so frightening.
Just a note: as I ponted out in the comments to another of Glenn's Ukraine-related columns here, on paper, at least, Russia has a far more robust protocol to prevent use of nukes as other than a last resort in defense of the mother country itself than does the US. I furnished detail and links in that comment. It attracted no apparent interest, I'm not going to go to the trouble again unless someone asks.
Not really my point. Russia has official documents that (summary) require that there be a demonstrated existential threat to Russia before any nuclear weapon is used. The US has a policy dating from the 1962 Cuban Missle Crisis that says that the POTUS should consult with his military and NatSec advisors before ordering a nuclear strike. Obviously, the requirements on each side could be subject to gamesmanship, but I think an actual, documented protocol that mitigates against unneccessary use is superior to some informal understanding that says that if the US President decides to start a nuclear war as he eats his morning cornflakes, it is highly recommended that discuss that impulse with some of his staff, first.
I watched a Russian MOD senior officer talk for about 4-5 minutes about this last night. Its a new clip that just came out.
This is a disgusting mess. How do we get through this? How do we leave the world a better place than how we found it? Because the world we are setting up for our future generations is cruel.
Human's are animals designed to hunt and kill. Humans are greedy. Humans are cruel. Humans are ignorant.... But for some reason everyone knows whats best for everyone else.
I hope that some pragmatism prevails. I hope that the general population wakes up to who is responsible for bringing our world to this place... and its not Putin. Sorry.
Do not come to me to say that Putin is evil and was out of line in the actions that he has just chosen to take. Who are you? Who are you to decide what is what is not in the best interest of a nation? Where do you get the hubris to tell the leader of a nation what to do on his own borders? I just watched the US/NATO turn the middle east to rubble over 20 years. Never mind Bosnia/Yugoslavia and the sh**t that happened there. Where were the cries for war crime tribunals for those in the west who played a role in the MURDER?
When are you going to scream and cry and post an Afghani flag in your profile for the hundreds of thousands if not millions dead, misplaced and permanently wounded? Where were you when a hellfire missile was fired into the windshield of 10 non combatants in the US/NATO retreat of Afghanistan? Has any US or EU official been held accountable yet?
How about Yemen? Where are all the Yemeni flag wavers? Where are the millions of virtue signaling screaming liberal voices to raise awareness to the famine and death and hell that the US and SA have inflicted on the Yemenis population?
What about the 500,000 ++ killed in Syria? Where are your flags virtue signalers? Can YOU even point to Aleppo on a map?
Millions of people have been tricked and/or have allowed themselves to become anti-Russian racists in 4 days. Are you proud of this? Are you proud of the fact that Russian musicians and artists are being banned and having their books burned? Does that make you happy Lib? Does it satisfy your sense of virtue when you find out hundreds of US companies pulled their business out from the CITIZENS of Russia? Are you content that your working class brothers and sisters all through Russia get cut off from the world because of your addiction to appeasement?
What political ideology is dominant through all of these companies and tech firms? Don't you f'ing tell me that we have gotten to this point because of conservative principles and policy. This is because of western woke rich liberals. Period.
Makes you wonder doesn't it..... The amount of energy thats been put into making Putin out to be this person, The media coordination. This very same apparatus also drove a narrative to destroy Donald Trump. The SAME apparatus.
Ever wonder if your opinion of Trump is just that? What you were told its supposed to be?
Whatever. I am scatterbrained. I went from Trudeau in Canada destroying the working class and its rights to being told Putin is about to end the world. What Putin is doing actually is embarrassing Victoria Nuland and Tony Blinkin. Putin is dismantling their toys. The reason why the media and liberal establishment is losing its mind is because Putin has finally said something these people have never been told before... He told them "NO"
You have to think whats going on in Lindsey Grahams mind. He and his peer group sepnd the last 20-30 years able to control the chess board. They tried and failed... what... SEVEN regime change missions? After millions of lives. After millions of refugees. After trillions in infrastructure damage. After 20+ years... It has to be a very emotional thing to lose. Lindsey Graham and his peers get to go down in history as murderers who never achieved a single f'ing victory... and THATS WHY they f'ing hate V Putin. He is the better chess player.
That is all this is and they are willing to take the planet down over it as we can all see.
Whichever country is quickest to jettison its safeguards and regulations on biological research will receive the lion's share of funding. This is the intense competition fostered by globalization that ultimately benefits everyone.
I hope to God that the last statement were sarcasm.
And why would be be so concerned if we were funding research into something that cannot be weaponized, a new kind of boner pill or whatever? For that matter, why are these labs funded by the DoD and not the NIH or NSF or whatever?
Exactly, the quack 'scientists' among the swamp rats will go to the least safe locations with the least oversight to conduct their experiments because they aren't hindered by safety standards.
I half think they should all be rounded up, put on a plane and sent to Moscow as a peace offering.
We quickly went from 'the labs don't exist' to 'okay they exist but they are benevolent' to 'if the labs fall into Russian hands there will be a biological attack'.
Oh, just a slight escalation. Next you are going to tell me Nuland was involved in an embarrassing leaked phone call about our efforts in Ukraine.
You mean the one where she said: "So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR , saying you need Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets to stick. So Biden's willing."
That's the one!
link for anyone who wants it
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
Worth noting too that in that recording she demonstrates such impressive verbal fluency/quick command of language that it is impossible to chalk up the exchange with Rubio to unintended awkward phrasing or whatever they will claim.
Correct, she knew exactly what she was saying. The question is who told her to say it.
Yep.
"I misspoke"
"I misspoke. But Russia is still to blame!"
Since the revolution. Since forever.
Propaganda is sleight of words so fascinating as magicians sleight of hands. I have studied it for years. I know most standard tricks.
Maddow and O'Donnell were excellent propagandists, always spouting extremely one sided very biased "truths," often out of context (one of the tricks). Six months before the 2020 election they resorted to crappy lying propaganda. I don't know if they panicked or they were always just actors, their excellent propagandist writer left, and a crappy one filled the vacancy.
Watch Oliver Stone’s “Ukraine on Fire”
I’d like to, but YouTube just took it down, what a coincidence
and https://rumble.com/vwwx6g-ukraine-on-fire.html or any of these https://odysee.com/$/search?q=ukraine%20on%20fire
Steps have been taken to anti-censor
I was moved to watch it by YouTube's censorship. Good film. Gives the Eastern Ukraine perspective - that is totally ignored by MSM.
You can watch it on Rumble, Odyssey, Gab, or Ben Swann's new platform - SOVREN - for free. Because the last two mentioned above don't believe in censorship or suppression - and they are fighting the best fight on behalf of our freedoms.
https://youtu.be/ywdtmpK_AP0
Bitchute
Thank you for the reference. It is an eye-opener.
Not to worry, my friend.....
The 'fact-checkers' have assured us that such concerns are misplaced. There is no need reason for concern.
They asked that we go back to smoking our free crackpipes and leave any thinking to the experts.
Said sarcastically....
Did someone say free crackpipes?!? :)
Settle down, Hunter!
That’s beauty
The Finster aims to please.
Glad to see that you’re aware of The Upheaval substack, that dude is a monster, a titan.
I've been thinking that someone should set up a "date night" between Hunter Biden and Taylor Shabusiness (if the name doesn't resonate, a quick news search should remedy that). It's seems a perfect match. One potential obstacle is that the woman may be incarcerated by the time this can be accomplished. In that case, I suppose it could be a "conjugular visit"... <g,d &r>
spit take... :)
but are the fact checkers "experts"?
Then we really need to be worried
Yes they are: experts of the highest academic qualifications. You remember, "BS (Bull Shit), MS (More Shit), PhD (Piled High and Deep)".
Thanks, I needed that!
Yes. That is where the stratospheric delusional fairy tale ideals that destroyed the economies of half the world were dreamed. The dreamers went to school at 6 years old and never left. They are still there with 6 year old minds indoctrinating naive young people with the lovely, non-functional in almost all societies, fairy tale dream theories. Eastern Europe's and other parts of Asia's economies crashed and burned under those.
The recent surge in more communist policies, distribution according to need (socialist distribution is the same as capitalist: according to contribution), is crashing and burning our economy now (increasing consumption by non-producers) after it was bashed by the hysterical shutdown. The shutdown was demanded by today's thumb-sucking baby citizens. I'm not sure their "daddies and mommies" in government didn't push that to increase their "we know better than you do" domination.
My own stratospheric libertarian ideals are also non-functional in all societies except possibly the ultra-disciplined, very orderly Japanese one. That society does successfully practice some socialism and might be able to successfully practice communism.
They are 'experts' in the same way Chelsea Clinton and Hunter Biden are.
And a particular college drop out is an expert on viruses.
Harsh…but fair
The problem is which "facts" are checked? Are the false ones the checkers like bypassed?
Probably, at least in filtering them to their own bigoted slants.
"China has called on the US to release the details of the Pentagon’s biological research programs in Ukraine. “The United States, as the party that knows the laboratories best, should release relevant specific information as soon as possible, including what viruses are stored and the research that has been carried out,” said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian."
Surely Peter Daszak can rustle up a report as forthcoming as the Wuhan one.
Speaking of, why isn't Daszak stripped of his credentials and on trial for lying to Congress?
Didn't Brennan & Clapper make lying to Congress a stepping stone to MSM expert status?
Yes they did. All because nobody in a position of power has the will or capacity to can failures. Lincoln did it during the civil war. One can list over a dozen military officers of various ranks who were demoted or outright canned for their failures. Now, not only are the left off the hook, but are allowed to go and make fortunes in civilian life>
They need to be sacked and subject to gag orders.
"And then we'll compare that to our files" went unsaid ;)
And they should allow "international inspectors". Is Hans Blix available?
Never a lie from the Chinese. Source?
Having a background in the biological sciences, and a degree in nursing as well, I do know that there are biological labs in many countries and even countries that are not secure, and that poses a significant problem. If something happens, an accident, since I don't think the Russians would intentionally target these labs, we have a a very big problem. I never said the Chinese do not lie, but in this instance it's the truth and I think there are some 30 labs there. The most corrupt nation in Europe has 30 labs and I wonder why in God's name we are funding them.
It is too soon to say it is true. Ukraine had the highest concentration of scientific workers in the USSR. I wonder, how many of these labs were in place back then and have remained. Also biological labs are not the same as bio-warfare labs. Every developed country and many developing countries have biolabs. All will be revealed with time.
" Also biological labs are not the same as bio-warfare labs"
Of course, and bullets are not for killing people either.
"All will be revealed with time."
You keep saying that.
So like Kennedy and Roswell then? So reassuring!
You seem to have the narrow world view as a cultist. I meant like WMDs, the Iraqi Al-Quaeda alliance, the back story behind the the overthrow of Allende, The Pentagon Papers, The Panama Papers, My Lai, Russiagate, The Contra War, the death of Che Guevara, the murder of Polish troops at Katyn, The famine in Ukraine in the 193Os, etc, etc, etc,. And maybe one day Roswell and the JFK assassination too.
If the Chinese had said "Russia has million biolabs hidden up in Kopek's ass". You would have never asked for a source would you?
Because everyone knows Russia has biolabs. Have you heard of Novichok? You are stupid.
Novichok?
That's a CHEMICAL weapon.
What was that you were saying about "stupid"?
Where are the Skripals?
I know an awful lot about Novichok.
You? Nothing, as you just proved.
"Everyone knows", are fucking serious? That's what you consider evidence? Or is it a proof in your mind?
Oh but you admit then that Novichok is Russian and has been used as an assasination tool. That, Owen, is a huge acknowledgment for a tool like you..
In the end, I am 99.99% sure that among the world's shadow biolabs, that 'scientists' from the US, EU, Russia and China are all working together in at least one of them.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/09/chris-hedges-worthy-unworthy-victims/
They could set a good example.
At this point the most radical conspiracy theories are merely very early spoilers.
We cannot believe anything our governments tell us, and it is now very plain that we should not, as they are demonstrable liars. My personal policy is that, if they should tell me the sun in shining, I will check the nearest window. We're long past Reagan's "Trust but Verify!" now, and deep into "Never Believe Anything Until It Is Officially Denied" territory.
Thinking on it, I've come to the conclusion that the weather roundup is actually designed for this purpose:
But 'tis strange:
And oftentimes, to win us to our harm,
The instruments of darkness tell us truths,
Win us with honest trifles, to betray's
In deepest consequence.
---some bard
I used to think that boy who cried wolf was an accurate representation of human psychology. I was wrong. Because power can indeed cry "wolf" over and over again, and the peasants will clutch at their "guns and bibles".
Maybe the boy's mistake was not making it a 'new' threat each time.
"the _______ are coming!"
WHAT!!! KILL THEM ALL!
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." - buhs
Evolving like TheScience ™
More like devolving.
Apparently, the US has 336 biolabs in 30 countries.
Some fun facts from “The Project for a New American Century and the Age of Bioweapons: 20 Years of Psychological Terror”:
“This anthrax attack led quickly into the 2004 Bioshield Act with a $5 billion budget and mandate to “pre-empt and defend further bioweapon attacks”. This new chapter of the revolution in military affairs was to be coordinated from leading bioweapons facility at the Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick. Since 2002, over $50 billion has been spent on Bioweapons research and defense to date.
The earlier October 2000 RAD document emphasized the importance which the neocon cabal placed on bioweapons (and other next generation war tech) stating: “Combat will likely take place in new dimensions: In space, cyber-space and perhaps the world of microbes… advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.”
https://canadianpatriot.org/2020/04/11/the-project-for-a-new-american-century-and-the-age-of-bioweapons-20-years-of-psychological-terror/
Excellent reference, great concise summary of the timeline, thanks! Whitney Webb has a collection of deep dives into the NeoCons and programs mentioned for folks who want more her Engineering Contagion series delivers big time. https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/category/engineering-contagion-amerithrax/
Yes!
And I love Whitney Webb. The article I cited mentions her work later on in the piece too.
I’ve followed her stuff for a while.
Explains the Chinese interest in US genbanks.
There is always a potential danger from these labs and not just in Ukraine, but they are all over the place, and in countries that are not stable. I never understood that. I don't understand why the US would be funding the labs in Ukraine especially since it sees Russia as such a potential threat, and knows the possibility of them becoming a potential biological threat.
Cause we won't let them do it here. Which should sort of be a clue that maybe we shouldn't be doing it anywhere, but what the heck do I know?
the US funds them there because they are illegal here and because we don´t want to be downwind of an accidental loss of containment.
They are very intent on skipping the part where crimes against humanity committed by thousands of bureaucrats internationally are punished. Very intent.
So, the MSM has moved quickly to cover Nuland's ass (and that *has* to be a challenge of scope) with this horseshit:
EXCLUSIVE WHO says it advised Ukraine to destroy pathogens in health labs to prevent disease spread:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-who-says-it-advised-ukraine-destroy-pathogens-health-labs-prevent-2022-03-11/
Which strongly suggests to me that WHO has known of the US biowarfare labs in the Ukraine for quite some time. I guess I shouldn't be terribly surprised at the breadth of the US/Globalist Deep State shennanigans, but I try very hard not to conjure up conspiracy theories where there is a simpler explanation. In this case, I cannot think of one.
"The WHO would not say when it had made the recommendation nor did it provide specifics about the kinds of pathogens or toxins housed in Ukraine's laboratories. The agency also did not answer questions about whether its recommendations were followed."
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I agree this suggests the WHO has known about the labs, but disagree that covers Nuland's ass at all.
When I wrote "moved to" I thought a reader would assume it was an attempt. I probably should have been more specific. To completely cover Nuland's ass would take a huge tarpaulin (virtual or literal) indeed...
Yes, my first reaction was another headline:
"WHO admits their hands are also dirty."
They only exist if their existence poses either an embarrassment or threat to the swamp rats' power.
It’s hard to believe what’s true. Russia used the labs as propaganda to say we worked with Ukraine developing dangerous chemical weapons. For 2 weeks that’s a lie. Now, much like they did to trump up the Iraq war, we claim that these dangerous labs exist, and if Putin got it’s hand on them it could have dire consequences. It’s like a light bulb went off, we can use scare tactics to get the public behind our bullshit war. I mean you’d think it would be a hard sell to convince Americans some dispute over a piece of territory in Eastern Europe would have any effect on Americans.
No body forgot Vietnam. There was no plebiscite on Vietnam, or Iraq, or Afghanistan. As for you Chinese professor, the Uighers aren’t Han Chines. Neither are the Tibetans. Or the Vietnamese. Doesn’t that mean China is also indulging in racist wars. You have bought into a line of thought that the West is the most evil empire in the planet. While the West has a brutal history, it affords its citizens a degree of liberty and freedom that is the marvel of the world. Is it perfect, don’t be stupid. If I’m lying move to Cuba, Russia, China, Uzbekistan, Myanmar……
Interesting takes...though both are faulty. To claim that skin color is the reason for Vietnam is beyond absurd. Do you honestly think that if Yugoslavia had revolted during the Cold War that the US would not have intervened? And 3.5 million? I've looked at the higher end numbers and have not come within 2.5 million of that...and the figure of 1 million is death from all causes. My father is a Vietnam vet, he's told me since my teens of what went on there, and, among other tings, that the VC were treated the worst by the South Koreans. It makes sense, they suffered an invasion 15 years prior to my father's deployment and had no use for such rabble.
Ukraine strikes a chord because of Russiagate and the legacy press. You know, the same legacy press that claim Ukraine is a democratic country.
On the other hand, no referendums were allowed in any of those countries because of power. Additionally, referendums in Iraq would have split it into three warring factions, the Kurds, the Sunni Arabs and the Shia Arabs. Afghanistan would have been similar given it's large Tajik minority. The sad truth is that nobody in power cares about their wishes, along with the Tibetans and Uighurs. Ironically, in the past 100 years, Chinese have increased their percentage of the population of Sinking from 2% to 45% through colonization, much like Stalin did with Ukraine and Kazakhstan, flooding them with Russians.
The west has caused it's share of tragedies which need to be acknowledged, however they need to be acknowledged in the context of humanity. People can be brutal, period. They also need to be acknowledged without attempts at self-loathing by painting everything in the lens of race.
I do not condone or defend the imperial or colonial actions of any nation. Every nation, in my opinion, regardless of the dominant ideology is within their rights to liberate their nation from foreign occupation. That includes the Vietnamese, the Afghans, Polisario, the Timorese, the Ukrainians, etc. Of course things aren’t always that simple. The Vietnamese ouster of the PolPot regime might an instance where the issue presents as gray.
First compared to the East and North, Ukraine was and is a democratic government. It became more democratic after 2014 when the old Party-boss/oligarch model was pretty much wiped out. You forget that Russia too was a brief democracy before Putin eliminated any viable opposition..
You've got me mixed up with some else buddy. Show me where I claim skin color had anything to do with Vietnam?
I was replying to Hoffman and you, with the reference to you being in my last two paragraphs.
You nonetheless implied there was validity to that figure. It's much like people who point to the USSR having murdered 'over 65 million' people. It's a distorted figure but it's used for useful idiots, much as figures of 'under 20 million' are (as even Khrushchev admitted the 20 million figure, and he had to walk a careful line not to make Stalin out to be too much of a villain or else loose credibility for himself). Furthermore the 1 million figure involves all fatalities from all sides put together, including the post-war red terror. I used that figure to show simply how absurd the one you cite is. The truth itself is horrendous enough, there is no need to inflate figures to fit a specific narrative, if anything that causes damage by delegitimizing what really happened. Look at the people who claim that Stalin's man-made famine in Ukraine killed 20 million in Ukraine, or even 10 million in Ukraine. Avoiding both that rot and the 'Stalin wasnt that bad' rot, you have 10 million dead in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, the north Caucasus and south Belarus combined. It's the same kind of delegitimization of the truth for personal aims and causes the same damage.
You mention proof, what proof do you have that there was a deliberate campaign to exterminate the Vietnamese? You speak of genocide yet all you have is your opinion on the internet no less. If you seek to claim that an author's book is the proof, that falls far short of the extraordinary evidence to back your extraordinary claims. I could site RFK Jr. as 'proof' that 'vaccines cause autism.' I know that, 9/11 being an inside job and the 'brither' claims are all BS but still. John Kerry got famous by making similar accusations and that's the only reason he got anywhere in politics, well that and marrying into money. What is there to make you think that McNamara isn't doing the same thing, trying to both remain relevant long after the conflict ceased and make money?
As for my father, he was stationed in 1968 in Tai Ninh or "rocket city in rocket alley" and worked retrograde. He saw, as he put it, how the human body worked without the skin covering it and had US troops die in his arms during large-scale mortar and rocket assaults and has difficulty watching any kind of medical show on TV or gory war movie as a result, even knowing that reenactments and special effects are fake. He spoke of how VC POWs always were beaten to a pulp by the South Koreans, something which makes sense as it was then only 15 years previous that the communist-sponsored invasion of South Korea ended and the South Koreans had no use for such rot. They should have directed the entire conflict.
You mention vets not wanting to have anything to do with you. I wonder why. You make unsupported claims based on no evidence I am aware of other than a few books, nothing of which can be corroborated. You also make claims about what people told you, yet what is there other than your account that any of it happened? Were their statements collected and verified? If so, where and how many people did you collect statements from? Were they from troop deployments in one place, one base, or scattered throughout the entire countryside and on US naval vessels? If they were scattered, were they collated proportionally to the troop numbers? Also, what years are you speaking of? You have a lot of holes to fill in if one is to even begin to believe an ounce of truth in what you say, and if you choose not to elaborate further, I honestly don't blame the majority of the Vietnam Vets for not wanting to associate with you. However, if you do have evidence beyond your mere personal POV and books without any confirmation, by all means, present it.
I do believe that your post is a case of self loathing due to the racial component, as it shares a lot of similarities with the garbage being spouted from the fountain of sewage called CRT. I am well aware of the racism that was within the US army during the late 60s and undoubtedly 70s as well, my father told me about it from a young age, whether from an officer who repeatedly mocked people of African descent when constantly beating them in checkers (he also said he watched how the guy played, and after awhile, crushed him, then trolled him). I was also told about a black draftee who had a football scholarship take shrapnel to the neck to knock down a white supremacist when he froze during incoming rounds...and the bastard never thanked him. Waste of two lives, one in the garbage who had his life saved yet could care less, the other in the unrealized potential of the true man who made the sacrifice all soldiers are trained to do and as a result, lost a shot at a well paying career. He also mentioned race based bar fights, chiefly in Basic, but also some overseas.
I hope that your master's are kind.
There is no Western atrocity that this one will not try to whitewash.
For good reason, too. Western atrocities get aired, Western societies learn and correct, Western Peoples progress (REAL progress, not the "progress" of Progressives).
The danger to humanity remains the same always: Fascists who go international.
Not Western Civilization.
Hey, you can always tale some Soma to slow it down...I think thats expected...
Call me a conspiracy nut but I'm starting to see a trend
Nuland (and Biden’s) role in the 2014 Ukrainian documented well here:
https://spaceworms.substack.com/p/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine?s=r
Obama, Joe Biden, George Soros, John Brennan, John Kerry, Victoria Nuland, John McCain were ALL involved in the CIA Coup in Ukraine of 2014. It was the US (not Russia) who INVADED Ukraine - the US invaded Ukraine in 2014 - with that Coup.
I wrote an article on that Coup, back in January: https://gregrubini.substack.com/p/massacre-ukraine-2014
100 innocent people were massacred in the main square of Kiev, by Snipers hired by OUR CIA. (by Eric Ciaramella, to be specific, under Brennan orders).
The Military-Industrial Complex and the CIA/NSA/NRO always need Wars, to sell weapons and to make $$$ Billions. No Wars = No money. To make Wars, they also need to manufacture Enemies, in the eyes of the gullible sheeple. The CIA controls all the TV Networks, and all the major newpapers, in the US and in Europe. The CIA Propaganda Machine.
It's wonderful and after reading I tried to add you as a paid subscription to my long list and it popped up a notice that said my card didn't support "this type of transaction".. Substack then happily added a different writer to my list with the one tick of a box so Substack has no problem w the card. If it happened to me there must be others too so check it out... support is too hard to accumulate to have more tech against you. :~)
Thank you, Pamela! - and thank you for letting me know. I will contact Substack support: it is the 2nd time in 3 days someone tells me this. May be some CIA mole at Substack or at Stripe doing the boycotting (they are everywhere).
This is not new: in Sept 2020, Amazon suppressed 2 of my 4 books. That happened 50 days before the elections. So I know I was over the target: I know who are the masterminds of the operation.
Thank you again, Pamela! - I will contact you by email
“CIA Mole” 😂😂😂😂. That’s hilarious.
CIA has a long history of media infiltration. Hearts and minds and all that. Is substack infiltrated? Have they been targeted?
Almost certainly.
As much as I wish I could say I think you are wrong, I fully agree.
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The only people in the West who believe the Maidan was a US coup have been reduced to either cultists of the left or the right, and Oliver Stone.. The name Nuland is their dog whistle and whenever her name is mentioned, the howling starts. Note many of the comments. Nuland was nothing more than a mid-level functionary, she was in Kyiv in 2014 because Kyiv was a State Department backwater. Look it up. Elevating her to the level of a political svengali and point person for US global expansion is a comedy, it is absurd on the face of it. On the other hand, objective histories of the Maidan are available. The unwillingness of some people to read more broadly is inexcusable. Venues like this, seem to allow proponents of these views to imagine themselves to be part of a powerful and growing consensus. They are wrong. Since the Maidan , millions of young Europeans travelled to Ukraine, it was cheap and fun, they did not find a country run by fascists. Instead, they found a country struggling to free itself from the lethargy and brutality of Putin’s Russia. The small circle of pro-Russian, pro-LPR/DRP, Putin supporters and apologists is shrinking by the day. Thank heavens there will always be venues like this for people like Greg Rubini. By the way, Greg, Hitler started WWII. You are a complete and utter idiots.
The idea that Victoria Nuland is just some poor, misunderstood functionary is laugh-out-loud ridiculous...
Watch her testimony - she is a hack. If she impresses you with her grasp of things instead of just mouthing back standard policy, you are naive.
Insulting everyone who disagrees with you just makes you look like an imbecile...
Coming from you it means something.
Nuland is a Deep State tool, a functionary sure, but a beloved and trusted one who is sometimes allocated extraordinary power.
She is a poodle.
There is far more evidence to hand then just her "testimony"
Selective evidence is no evidence at all.
We've been through this before, and you keep trying to argue from shame and emotion. It's a habit with you.
That said, "undersecretary of state" is hardly some "midlevel functionary". Among other things, it's a presidential appointment.
For that matter, Zbigniew Brzezinski pointed out about Ukraine being key to undermining Russia. It's not "some backwater". For that matter, what kind of wack Senate Committee asks flunkies and "midlevel functionaries" to testify? And it's not the first time. Why, it's almost as if this midlevel functionary in some backwater is of some importance in the halls of power!
I am willing to believe that these labs may in fact be benign, but what we have been told so far just raises questions.
Relative to US interests in Russia, Ukraine has always been a backwater, Zbig B has been irrelevant in US policy since the days of Carter. He was washed up under Reagan. As for Nuland, her testimony before Rubio's committee demonstrates what a mediocrity she is. I'm no face of Russia but I acknowledge, Nuland probably couldn't cut it in Lavrov's Foreign ministry. If you are incapable of em option in the face of war, you may be a nihilist. Watch out Finster.
A cursory search of the career of Zbigniew Brzezinski would indicate something very different than what you claim.
For that matter, so would a google search of the words "Zbigniew Brzezinski influence".
Then again, since these allegations are coming from the person who claims that Nuland was a "midlevel functionary" and that we are engaged in brinksmanship potentially leading to WWIII over a backwater of no strategic importance, which leads me to conclude that you are making shit up.
Again.
Zbig B. was always a Kissinger wannabe. If and administration couldn’t get Kissinger, Zbig was the go to. He is a mediocrity which reinforces my earlier point, that there is more conformity that brains running US foreign policy. Ukraine was a backwater and Nuland was a mid-level apparachik.
Why would you be willing to believe that? Even if (huge if) the nominal and advertised purpose of the labs was to research defensive measures against bioterrorism, you don't think it's a slam dunk that assholes in the CIA and other natsec orgs were waiting with bated breath to leverage any and all developments for offensive purposes? And you don't think that perversion of function would have been a strong motivation by at least some high-level functionaries in those orgs for the creation of those labs in the first place?
Because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Trite but true. But that's just my problem with your willingness to believe. To me, the claim that these labs are benign is the more extraordinary. The US installed the current government of Ukraine, making it little more than a US proxy state. Why would the US then establish, help to establish, or even allow the establishment of, biological warfare labs that have the sole purpose of identifying defenses to bio attacks there? Do you seriously think it likely that the Ukraine regime undertook to establish these labs entirely on their own initiative? The crucial question to me is, if the labs are benign, why did the US NatSec apparatus think it necessary that they be located in Eastern Europe, instead of, say, in Betheda, Maryland? On the other hand, if the purpose of the labs is to research very dangerous biological agents for use by the US and allies in attacking opposing forces, locating those labs in a place with a population that US NatSec considers to be expendable, and that is relatively near to a theater where such agents might plausibly be deployed in the near future, makes a great deal of sense.
I think the US would be willing to use Ukraine for off the books research? Yes. This will all get sorted out sooner or later. My Amin point here is that Nuland is a tool, and not a bright one.
Make one admission so you can tell two lies.
We see you.
>> Nuland was nothing more than a mid-level functionary
You must've not read to the end of the article.
Are you also denying the phone call between her and the ambassador?
At some point the denials become laughable.
Ukraine was a backwater. Nuland was a martinet. Trump called out the state department functionaries as dim bulbs. Was he wrong, he was describing Nuland. Its funny a lot of people on the left and now the right like to insinuate that the DEEP State s filled with hacks, sycophants and idiots. And then hen these same people want to blame for US for nefarious acts, these same idiots become James Bond. Be real. You are defending Nuland's competence.
Do you not agree that the US Congress is filled with hacks? Do you not agree that those hacks leverage their power to do real damage? How is that argument different from the one you have posited and dismissed out of hand?
I agree with you about the political class. I agree that they can be/are cynical and dangerous. I’ll go further and say that the media, academia and the cultural elites are largely complicit. What I can not agree to is that a narrow spectrum of opinion, that runs counter to the dominant narrative, is by itself, always correct or true. The negation of a lie is not a proof of the truth. Lies can also, seemingly, be negated by other lies. We live in an age and a country when there is an overload of information. Anyone can find a point of view that corresponds to their own and one that is also supported by a limited group of like-minded thinkers. I have come to believe that the truth is elusive and that there is no select group of people who have a monopoly over it. Everything shred of news should be balanced against all other information. Knowledge is a process of synthesis, not memorization. A broad understanding of history helps. I struggle to find the truth like everyone else. But when people can not even agree on the basic facts or chronologies of a thing, what is the point of discourse?
Now we can debate. Thanks for the opportunity.
It does indeed seem that the Deep state is filled with dimwits. Or the stupidest smart people. Mostly hardened ideologues.
The sad part is that these people do have all the power. And they use it. And that's why we are where we are. They are extremely afraid to lose the face. That's why the thought of openly admitting Ukraine will never be a NATO member is impossible for them.
I'm pointing out Nuland's incompetence...
Ukraine will join NATO when Russia becomes a democratic nations of laws. As long as a narrow military clique rules the Kremlin, the Russian people will have no input into the foreign or domestic policies of their nation. What is happening in Ukraine is not a war between the Russian and Ukrainian people, it is a result of the world view and paranoia of a single man and his retinue of yes men. Ukrainians and Russians have lived side by side, intermarried for years. This war has broken something that was very deep. Among Russians that know what is going on, this was war has brought a deep sense of shame. Sadly, the Russian people will now learn the true cost of unaccountable leadership.
What about Nuland's phone call to Jeffery Pyatt in which they discuss who should be Ukraine's next president? How do you work that into your narrative that this was not a US backed coup? Yes there were many in Ukraine who wanted to oust the elected president, but they were assisted by the US that wanted to oust a pro-Russian government, so they could install someone who would bow to our anti-Russia agenda. Biden calls for the IMF to let money flow into the Ukraine after the coup and somehow it flows back out, but through his son he caught some of it, and who knows how much more. Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe and the 9th most corrupt country in the world. Your denial of the degree of fascism in Ukraine is very disingenuous since they have already infiltrated the military. It is the main reason some 14, thousand have died in the Donbas, many of whom were of Russian ethnicity. Or answer the question why have statues of Bandera been erected in western Ukraine? By the way, don't underestimate neocons like Nuland, especially since her husband Kagan is one of the most, if not the most influential of neocons, and runs the Brooking's institute.
Fran, have you ever heard of Holodomor.? Have you ever read Solzhenitsyn? Have you ever heard of Nemtsov? Politskaya? The Chechen Wars? There is context to everything. You provide nothing, a slew of one line statements, none substantiated. I could start to take each of you comments on one at a time. I am going to wait until all the proPtiun trolls have finished and I’ll write an answer it once. A piece of advice, if everything you read comes from a narrow spectrum of sources, you might not grasp the complexity of certain issues. In fact you may not even grasp the true facts. Your paragra
You think you are the only person who ever has heard of such things?
Whatever - explain how the Holodomor makes Nuland's telephone call to Jeffrey Pyatt disappear. Otherwise, you're just trying to change the subject.
Again.
The history of Russia and Ukraine does not begin with Victoria Nuland, it doesn’t end there either. The suppression of Ukrainian national aspirations by the Tsars, the USSR and Russia is a long tale. Your comments concerning the Ukrainians at Maidan do not recognize agency among Ukrainians. It is demeaning and arrogant. It is also light on context. Yanukovych was neither loved, nor liked nor admired by the Ukrainian people. He was a tool of oligarchs in Donetsk, a tough guy. A Soviet-style man, who won the Presidency by virtual default after years of incompetence and corruption by his predecessors. The Maidan revolt lasted 100 days. It began with student demonstrators who were beaten mercilessly by the militia. This created general revulsion across Ukraine and increasingly radicalized the population against the regime. Over time, brutal police tactics were met by street fighting units filled by former soldiers and young radicalized men. As the sides hardened, Russian paramilitary and intelligence resources were introduced to strengthen Yanukovych regime’s resolve. It ended with militia troops firing on unarmed demonstrators, killing about 100. These facts are accepted by almost everyone except the Kremlin and a small minority here in the west who discern the dark hand of the CIA everywhere. The Maidan was not the overthrow of Arbenz, Mossedegh or Allende. The closest recent analogy might be the Tahir Square uprising that toppled Mubarak. The west, in this case Nuland, had to step in, very late, to assure they would blunt the radicalized demands of the Ukrainian street. If Nuland or Obama had wanted to really upset relations with Moscow, they would have armed Ukraine. Remember Obama’ s reset. Victoria Nuland is no hero in Ukraine. Their interests are not hers and her interests are not theirs. The experts at State and the CIA expected the Ukraine to fold in three days. Biden did not want to exclude Russia from swift. He did not want to ban Russian oil sales. He is being dragged into this by the actions of Putin and the revulsion and fear it has generated in Europe. The US has never given a shit about Ukraine..
It was a pretty good, if completely transparent attempt at deflection. Did. not. work. lol
You've had your loudmouth say, M. Finster. Let M. Kopek speak.
Facts: 8.7 million Soviet combat soldiers died to defend Europe & US against Nat’l Socialists. But we claim we won WWll - 609,000 combat deaths including the Pacific Theater & oh hell yeah two nuclear bombs.
So Putin wants his last non -NATO sphere and no labs next door - which makes perfect sense. Same as the Cuban Missile Crisis for us.
Now the EU & England & our tech with our Gov’t, are defending democracy and free speech by censoring free speech -along with books and artists. We have become our enemy. The terrorists have won.
What to do?Many legislators are lockstep money grabbers by speed dial and we cannot vote them out because neolibs & neocons are one entity arming the world.
What's the context for someone with apparently infinite time and energy to lie over and over for days?
>> narrow spectrum of sources
Do list yours.
Today a good source is from people of Moldova, Poland, Baltic states. Soon probably from Romania. Mostly talking about the 'refugees' in their S-class Mercedes.
I may have summarized my account, but I have not just recently arrived on the political scene as you are suggesting. I know a good deal about the neocon agenda, which has been adopted by the US, and accounts for our Middle Eastern wars. I am also aware that the expansion of NATO which really got underway during Bill Clinton's administration, and now some 20 years later has arrived at Russia's front door. I know we have installed so called anti-ballistic missiles in Poland and Ukraine with Obama's lie that they were put there just in case Iran went on an attack. Absurd! Yes I heard of the Holodomor and no one as of yet, to my understanding, can determine whether that was deliberate on the part of the Soviet Union under Stalin, or due to the Soviet Union's industrialization. Stalin in the 1930's was the go to man who could inform you as to whether this was a genocide. It's 2022. I think you would have a better understanding of things if you set your mind on dealing with the hear and now and the more recent past. You know what they say about those that assume, which you are, that my perceptions are solely based on a narrow spectrum of sources, but they are not.
You make several points . I will attempt to address them 1). we are not talking about the Middle East 2) The expansion of Nato. Yes it happened. It took no tanks or bullets. The vast majority of people in Eastern Europe joined enthusiastically because their real fear came from the East, Russia. These countries experienced Russian/Soviet domination and remember those times as a dark age. The expansion of NATO was defensive, the threat of aggression was always from Moscow. Today, Finland and Sweden are considering joining NATO. This is a consequence of Putin’s action, not the US’s. 3) There are no anti-ballistic missiles in Ukraine. Ukraine gave up its nukes in 1994 in the Budapest Accord in exchange for guarantees from Britain, the US and Russia with respect to the sovereignty of its borders. So much for paper. You can look it up. 4) The-famine in Ukraine in the 1930s is now well documented. The archives are open. Red Famine by Anne Applebaum is the latest serious book in English to use the archives. There are others. It is pretty clear that Stalin’s policy was to extract as much grain as possible from the peasantry to fund capital purchases in the west for industrialization. The USSR exported grain as millions starved. Sholokhov described the inhumanity of the grain raids on peasant farmers. Your inability to determine if this was genocide is besides the point. It was a famine that served a political purpose. The human cost was unimaginable. Of the Irish potato famine, it was said, God brought the potato blight, the British brought the famine. In Ukraine, the Communist Party brought the famine. Your lack of depth concerning one of the worst famines in the 20th century is surprising given your self-proclaimed knowledge of politics and history. Finally, you suggest I am making assumptions. It is you that have thrown accusations and slurs, unsubstantiated by reputable sources. I have tried to address each of your points. My advice to you is to read more widely. Try to be less shrill.
The patronizing tone of your comments and rattling off of irrelevant questions suggests you are a Leftist idiot who hates America and her people. Sharing this country with creeps like you is becoming unsustainable-move yourself and your toxic ideology somewhere else.
You add ZERO in support of your ad hominem.
HitlerPutin's Russia is the enemy, not free Americans exercising their first amendment rights.
YOU are the toxin here. YOU move.
Telling someone to "do your research" is not an argument.
You are right, its not an argument, it is advice. Good catch, Owen.
Google, Twitter and now Duck Duck Go are trying hard to prevent even that.
Troll alert.
This is going on too long.
Take you med, Oregoncharles. I know how your mind wanders.
From the bluntness of international political reality, what is more important to you, pushing Russia into China's arms over Ukraine, or having Ukraine exist as a buffer state? You can come up with everything wrong that Russia has done to Ukraine going back to when it was first conquered from Poland in the 1600s, however that does not change current geopolitical realities.
Thanks to the idiots in both DC and the EU, Russia has been pushed into China's arms. To top things off, Putin is the beta despot, Xi is the alpha, much like Mussolini was the beta and Hitler the alpha. In both cases, the alphas ordered the betas around and in both cases, the alphas have concentration camps.
You ask an interesting question. I think Russia has a dilemma. They are no longer a genuine world power. Their GDP is the size of South Korea’s. Their population is in free fall. Putin has deluded himself that Russia is a still world power but it is a foolish delusion. Over the long term, Russia will either have to side with the West, full economic integration, or it will become a vassal state of the Chinese. Xi might parade about with Put today, but among his own people, Xi must view Putin as a tin pot authoritarian running a second rate country that also happens to contain large supplies of raw materials and energy that China could use. China will never make Russia a partner, it will make Russia a dependency. Russians at some point are going to have to accept that the world has only two power blocs, China and the West. There is simply no room for three super powers in the world any longer. While Putin may not see this, some of his oligarchs already do. They are not running to buy homes in China, or apply for Chinese citizenship. They are they interested in having their kids learn Chinese. Post-Putin, Russian leaders will see, I hope that the best option they have it to join the West. The alternative would be dire.
Nailed it
Blind obedience to the feckless traitors running the US government is not a sign of patriotism or honor, you are complicit in crimes against America and her citizens. Shame on you for being either a paid troll, a useful idiot, or simply a fool.
I don't want to call him a troll because his opinion is different then mine, or yours. It is infuriating to realize had our government acted in good conscience after the Berlin wall came down, and not expanded NATO into Russia's front yard, and if we had not pursued a neocon policy of world domination we wouldn't be here now. I was so disgusted with Linsay Graham's comment on calling for Putin's assassination, but at least he got some blow back from his idiotic remark. I wish we would teach our children to adopt a global perspective on the world then people would not be so easily manipulated by it's country's propaganda.
I'll give someone a month or so on here before calling them a troll as people have good and bad days and such (I know the comment wasn't directed at me but still.)
As for NATO, I fully agree that all nations which were independent during the interwar years should be allowed to join. At the same time, Russia needs buffer states, and it's a shame there is no 25th amendment for Congress as Graham should be sacked.
Well, I just had a very bad experience with someone on the Matt T site who was so rude, and repeatedly used such filthy, and degrading language responding to my posts I even reported it. True Russia needs buffer states and this is always what it was about. When you read about the missile crises in the 1960's where Khrushchev put missile sites in Cuba one can truly understand why we perceived it as a threat. There were also people, too many of them, who felt we should engage Russia in nuclear war even though acknowledging many, many thousands of lives would be lost in the US but we would ultimately win. I hope no one in government today is thinking along those lines. NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!
What Russia really needs is a "survivable nuclear deterrent", something that American ABM's genuinely threaten. In particular, ABM's right on their border.
China does not have a survivable nuclear deterrent. But they will.
I want to see the new and revised list of "Countries to be destroyed".
No one gets buffer states, Stephen. But if they did, what nations you you consign to being another Belarus?
Blind obedience is what the swamp rats count on, that and their anonymity. Sadly, I can't see a Congress willing to debate and pass a bill which would give them access to all DC operations on command due to fear and bribery.
We need politicians who have more than a wax spine.
This horrible predicament we find ourselves in will pass like so many other episodes before. The enemy of the people, the Democratic Party, is controlled by a cabal of corrupt perverts that happen to be older than dirt.
Don't forget the RINOs. They are just as, if not more dangerous.
Nuland is married to Robert Kagan, neocon star and co-founder of Project for the New American Century.
I don't think that fact registers in the minds of those who see only one evil in the world - Putin.
Always nice to hear from Sate Dept. publicists. Is that the OFFICIAL position?
And what Neo-Trotskyite groupule are you in? Or are you a Neo-Stalinist? Chomskyite? Tucker Carlson man? You are certainly a didactic, I just can't discern white one. Write mer, give me a hint or do you just chime in to support your smarter buddies? Oregoncharles. I can't even imagine.
"Didactic"?
You could teach a course.
Why do you try to pigeon hole your many enemies? What's the point? Does it make it easier for you to strawman them?
Owen, you are not an independent thinker or a deep one. If you read my comments, you you see that I generally back up what I saw. with nits, I just don’t waste the time. These people you are defending are pulling info from a narrow slice of the ideological spectrum. If you don’t see that, you are one of them.
Nuland is a feckless cunt that should be hanged.
Nazi Germany, with Soviet complicity, started the war in Europe that eventually became WW2.
WWII started with the Fourth Partition of Poland in 1939. The only reason anyone says anything positive about the USSR is Hitler used them as useful idiots. In reality, they were of the same shit. Just as Hitler planned to deport 100 million 'Slavs' to Siberia in order to make way for German colonists, Stalin deported 25 million 'enemies' to make way for his territorial greed, some of which, ironically, to this day, remains in Ukraine. Think of Lwow, the Polish city now known as Lviv. In 1931, there were 2.5 million Poles in what is now Ukraine. Now there are under 100,000. What happened? Stalin.
Would love to know how you explain the entrance of Mikheil Saakashvili in Ukrainian politics.
I've read various accounts of the Maidan event that all take a given POV. We really won't know for some 30 years what the reality was. I was stunned by declassification of events that I TOOK PART OF where at the time I was quite unaware of the full story. So the various trash talking over the who what when remains speculation - pick a side or two, play on.
So the conversation between Nuland and Pyatt who were deciding who should head up the government in Ukraine was just some nation building talk, or spreading democracy as they say, and not interfering in the affairs of a foreign country? No doubt they felt they were in a position to do so because they assisted in the coup that overturned an elected president. It was Obama's coup, and Biden was in charge. They say Nuland was handing out cookies to those who were participating in the coup, but some say they were sandwiches. Whatever, but it sure looks like she took most of them home and ate them herself. Catty, I know.
I have no idea what those two were thinking they were doing. Wasn't there. The claim "assisted in the coup" is widely asserted. Elected President reads like that guy Trudeau. He was elected as well but by a fractional minority. I won't even get into Ukraine politics about legitimacy of elections. I can always agree that often he US imagines itself in more control than it really is/has. President Z seems to be getting a lot of popular support on the ground, all the puffery aside. The past and who messes with the rice bowls is interesting but pointless in the ongoing war. As I note truth comes slowly, if at all.
I consider Winter on Fire the best documentary on Maidan. There are others out there. You'll have to decide for yourself what your truth is.
This piece needs sources man… I have no idea how to tell if this is true.
Go to the library. Go to the archives, pick you sources. The Guardian, The Economist, The New York Times, Then are biased but reasonable. Find Russian sources. Evaluate everything. Do you read French? German? There are several documentaries. See them all, decide which narrative rings truest to you. Unfortunately, this work. It is not as easy as reading a narrow spectrum of sources that all cite each other and never disagree. There problem too often in places like this is people throw facts with no context. There is no messiah, not Chomsky, not Taibbi, not Greenwald, not Carlson, not Blinken, not Lavrov. Like the man said, the truth is out there. If the narrative is too pat, hold on tighter to your wallet.
It is sourced with video and USG officials; try reading the piece linked.
I did read it. The trivial points are linked but not the HUGE claim that CIA Director Brennan ordered the massacre of 100 ppl.
Fair enough here's some help. Piece the activity together this CIA timeline of other coups lest we have any doubt they do ally with terrorists to achieve regime change. Then use MSM reporting of Brennan's visit just prior to the massacre to establish involvement.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804
https://web.archive.org/web/20191016095339/https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-what-the-cia-director-was-really-doing-in-kiev
https://web.archive.org/web/20140418090653/https://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkaylan/2014/04/16/why-cia-director-brennan-visited-kiev-in-ukraine-the-covert-war-has-begun/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140430231414/https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict
Ok I’ll have to look into this
The EU is at fault too, it's not just the swamp rats in DC, but in Brussels as well. They all seek expansion and more power.
Absolutely! the so-called "European Union" is The Fourth Reich, re-branded, and with an updated flag. Where is the Euro printed? in Frankfurt, Germany. Which is the most powerful Nation in the "EU"? Germany. You just need to compare the Map of the Third Reich in June 1941 with the Map of the EU today: exactly the same.
Are the owners of the Federal Reserve (private corporation) the same owners of the European Central Bank?
You guys aren’t going to go after the Jews too, are you? You appear to be getting dangerously close with your simplistic rhetoric and thinking.
It's worse than that, as who leads Germany now other than self-hating urban elites? Who leads just about every country which wasn't under the thumb of the USSR during the Cold War? The same idiots.
They push to expand and control at the same time as they seek to punish their subjects with CRT, DIE (more accurate than DEI) and intersexuality garbage.
Edit: Instead of pushing genocide, they push sadomasochism by making their people emotionally suffer so they, the swamp rats/urban elite, can feel better about themselves.
In the 2014 coup, it was largely the US, the EU had been negotiating in a forthcoming manner with Ukraine’s president at the time.
It was frustrations of this failing that invoked the US covert operation.
“Fuck the EU”
-Victoria Nuland
I agree with her for once! Then again a broken clock is right twice a day. Nuland seems to know how to bathe and put her clothes on, as well as how to eat, possibly through a crash course from Michael Moore, so that explains the other things she 'gets right.'
You can watch the Oliver Stone documentaries on this material on Amazon Prime...
Watching Stone's video on the Maidan, by itself, to the exclusion of others is like diving down a rabbit hole. By recommending it without also suggesting other interested people that a different narrative exists is intellectually dishonest. There is no single narrative that captures the history of Maidan.
I think most people here at least agree with you on that point.
Nobody is suggesting that the movie is the single source of truth. But since YouTube is now censoring it, it must be “over the target”.
I’m not for censoring it although to be honest, I find it to be horseshit.
Yes, I think the majority do. There is a small group of people on this forum and others that pick their sources from a very narrow ideological stream.
On the original “Bioshield Act” by the neocons.
“The Project for a New American Century and the Age of Bioweapons: 20 Years of Psychological Terror“:
The Age of Bioweapons and PNAC
“This anthrax attack led quickly into the 2004 Bioshield Act with a $5 billion budget and mandate to “pre-empt and defend further bioweapon attacks”. This new chapter of the revolution in military affairs was to be coordinated from leading bioweapons facility at the Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick. Since 2002, over $50 billion has been spent on Bioweapons research and defense to date.
The earlier October 2000 RAD document emphasized the importance which the neocon cabal placed on bioweapons (and other next generation war tech) stating: “Combat will likely take place in new dimensions: In space, cyber-space and perhaps the world of microbes… advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool”.
https://canadianpatriot.org/2020/04/11/the-project-for-a-new-american-century-and-the-age-of-bioweapons-20-years-of-psychological-terror/
He has.
True, I’ve heard him mention it (as he does here) but not in detail.
People who are worried about biological weapons research facilities need to relax. The chance of a dangerous virus escaping from such a facility is diminishingly small. I can only think of one or two pandemics that have been started this way.
Spot on, after all, what are the odds of it happening twice in such a short period of time :-)
Shall we consult the real expert, Bill Gates?
Not only viruses, just look at what happened with Killer Bees from the experiment in Brazil. Per Murphy's Law, "If something can go wrong it will go wrong."
Kidding right?
He IS the master.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your windows every Thursday night.
I understand the argument. As I've said before, I find quibble over labels largely pointless semantic fights. Isolationism in this context simply is a short-hand phrase for not wanting to right wars, engage in military intervention, or engineer regime change operations -- only use military force if the US is attacked. I'm well-aware and have often said that Paul's view (and Trump's for that matter) is that the US should trade with everyone, have peaceful relations with everyone, etc. --- not close up the country and refuse to engage. That's why I called it neo-isolationism as a contrast with neoconservatism. It's just a shorthand label to signify a ideology that everyone recognizes.
But isolationism doesn't really mean that in other contexts. North Korea is isolationist. I've been reading you for so long that I know what you meant, but when we use the same disparaging terms as the neocons, we've already lost the argument. Broad diplomatic trade relations sounds much better than neo-isolationism, and more correctly conveys the goal of the strategy.
As always, this is a tiny tiny nitpick in the vast ocean of amazing work you do!
Your comments are always very solid. Take a look at the substack:The Upheaval, NS Lyons, she is a genius
Will do! Thanks for the recommendation!
Brace yourself, she swings for the fences
"Swing hard in case they throw it where you're swingin'"
Duke Snider
There is a difference between a 'hard isolationist' who will never go to war, and a 'soft isolationist' who will go to war for a just war but not anything else.
Both Ron Paul and Tulsi Gabbard seem to be 'soft isolationists.'
"a 'soft isolationist' who will go to war for a just war..."
I agree with the sentiment, but "just war" is a vague definition. Warmongers feel passionately that their wars are "just" but they are consistently and reliably wrong. Madeleine Albright said the deaths of 500,000 children in Iraq were "just"ified to prevent the use of WMD, which were nonexistent.... or was it to save Kuwaiti babies in incubators which were also nonexistent? Is it "just" to launch a war and kill millions of people to prevent a nonexistent threat? Americans and soldiers were lied to. They went to Iraq with a feeling that they were doing the right thing, they were deceived and lied to. We are constantly fed lies by the ruling class and its not easy to sort them out. War is insanity, that's for sure. If corporate media tells me anything, I usually assume the exact opposite is true, until I'm proven wrong.
What circumstances would make a war "just"? Self defense is one - to protect oneself and community from imminent death. Beyond that its gets complicated, especially when 99% of what we're told by corporate media is lies. I believe that neocons feel deep down inside, in a passionate and heartfelt way, that money justifies war and death. If killing millions of people results in them owning nicer suits, owning nicer cars and owning nicer houses then the war is "just" to them, and they support and promote it without a second thought, and they get very excited about it, frenzied. What's weird is that their angry, frenzied and hateful bloodlust is channeled not into violence but into getting others to be violent on their behalf. They are cowards. They cheer violence and then run away from it. That's who we're dealing with here, those are many of our "leaders". The few "leaders" who know better are too weak and timid to speak out against the warmongers.
The last 'just wars' the US engaged in were the Gulf War in 1990/91 and the initial deposing of the Taliban. In the Gulf War, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia asked for help in throwing Hussein out. I am aware of the dubious tactics they used behind closed doors to pull the US into the conflict, but it was nonetheless a case of being pulled into a military conflict by allies.
Afghanistan was a bee-hive of Jihadists...as is Pakistan now. They allowed for the facilitation of 9/11 and had the leader of the Northern Alliance murdered just beforehand because they knew such actions would trigger a US response and didn't want him to assume power as a legitimate ruler. Beyond that, Afghanistan was a travesty on so many levels. A constitutional monarchy could have been set up as a legitimate form of government. Instead, the last legitimate ruler of Afghanistan was cast aside for some random politihack.
Those conflicts aside, Iraq in 03, Libya, Syria...none of them could even remotely be described as just wars. There may be some case for justification for the Yugoslav wars in the 90s, but that seemed more like BJ Clinton wanting to distract from his perjury under oath which DNA proved to be lies.
Iraq in 03, Libya, Syria...none of them could even remotely be described as just wars"
Yes, and three strikes your OUT. No more regime change, ever. Entering Afghanistan to get bin Laden was justified but a complete failure, in fact Bin Laden and the Jihadists were trained and funded by the CIA during an earlier misadventure and motivated by the establishment of a US military base in Saudi Arabia during Gulf War I. One fuck up leads to another. Yugoslavia should have been handled by Europe, the same as Ukraine should be now. Europe has four members of the G7, they have the capacity to solve their own problems.
The military-industrial-complex and their hangers on screw up everything they touch, they have completely squandered the reputation of the USA around the world which will only make things more difficult for them. WWII was a just war but any goodwill from that is gone now.
The origin of the chaos in Afghanistan is more complex, as 3/4 of the funding came from the Muslim World, largely via Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The US gave weapons and money, sure, however it was the Saudis and Pakistanis who did most of the heavy lifting.
Ironically it was Saudi Arabia's call for aid against Hussein which caused the Jihadists to switch targets, because the Saudis turned down their ragtag band in favor of the US army in order to mow down Hussein's million man army. Since non-Muslims entered Saudi Arabia, we, both the US and Saudi Royal Family, became their targets. As you said, one fuck up turned into another and nothing happens.
You are correct about Yugoslavia, and the truly sad thing is just how badly the 'G7' handled things. A decade ago, I used the 1991 census data for Bosnia and Croatia on how to draw just borders there. The frontiers I drew added a third polity to Bosnia where there were and are now only two...and would have resulted in 1.6 million displaced people. That may sound horrid, but the peace the 'experts' worked out resulted in 2.2 million displaced people with fewer political entities created. It shows how inept they are, especially given I was using the same data they were.
If the problem was in Saudi Arabia (where the 911 hijackers and bin Laden came from and probably where the plan was hatched) that country should have been the focus. But it wasn't the focus due to incompetence, cowardice and/or corruption. Whoever is making the decisions about which country to invade are clearly not fit to do so, and that's why regime change and foreign coups should stop. If they did not fuck it up every single time then an argument could be made in favor of it, but they never get it right even once. Iran, now a perpetual enemy was at one time a secular democracy...until they stopped cooperating with Shell Oil and then someone decided they needed a puppet Shah instead of a prime minister.
Regarding borders, the British Empire used to deliberately draw borders in the wrong places (combining people of different religions into one country for instance) in order to get the people in the new countries to fight each other - the old game of divide and conquer.
Isolationist = always gets me.
So ridiculous. I get exhausted correcting the lies and misrepresentations
It was not used in a derogatory manner so....just ignore it. Personally, among the last thing I want to see those who advocate limited warfare enter the oppression olympics.
I have instead decided to direct my snark against the 'leaders' as I scream into the void ;)
Edit: Here's one you might like. It's the state of the union. ;)
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/the-stank-of-the-union-is-strong
Maybe even advice Zelensky? His comedy has turned into tragedy...
"His" comedy?
Putin and his Russian enablers are 100% to blame for the tragedy of today's Ukraine.
Ukrainians voted in 1991 to be an independent nation. They have not changed their minds.
That wasn't the only vote. Crimea voted in 2014, as did Donbass.
Then why is Russia subjugating all of Ukraine?
What is the alternative? The goal is to ensure a neutral and Nazi-free state.
WTF! Does ANYONE in the MSM give a flying F about 'truth' anymore? Do they even know what truth is?
So, we're all supposed to support major US foreign policy initiatives based on a fabricated 'narrative' - the fact-checkers are the fraudsters.....
BTW - Will all these US and EU companies who are pulling out of Russia also pull out of China when China invades Taiwan?
We all know the answer. That will somehow be different....
They're upfront about their lies these days because they know there's no real media to call them out.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/the-leaders-are-still-lying
I admire your certainty. Do you pick stocks too?
For those who refuse to believe in objective reality, the concept of "truth" is meaningless.
China is not going to invade Taiwan.
America will attack China though. It's just a matter of time.
Lying about war is an old old story.
No, that would hurt their ratings. They invent stories and sell them. They care less about the truth than a pet rock.
Oliver Stone's "Ukraine on Fire" includes her larger "oops" when chatting up her complicit participation in Ukrainian elections...it was not charming, but then, neither is she...
"Ukraine on Fire" is a great documentary, directed by my friend Igor Lopatonok
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/09/google-deletes-oliver-stone-documentary-ukraine-on-fire-western-government-and-nato-afraid-of-truth/?
FTA: "Google Inc, has deleted the award-winning Oliver Stone documentary “Ukraine on Fire.” [skip]. In response to the effort by Big Tech, NATO, the collective western governments and World Economic Forum, the producer, director and copyright owner Igor Lopatonok has released the copyright and made the documentary available for open download" and direct viewing on Rumble:
https://rumble.com/vwxqgw-oliver-stone-ukraine-on-fire.html
yes, Igor Lopatonok told me that. We are in Full Fascism right now, in America. And it will go worse and worse. You have done a good thing, Martha, by sharing the link
If you are still in contact with Mr. Lopatonok, please let him know that his work is exceptional and so incredibly important. I hope for a re-release, but the current political hysteria may not allow it!
I'm not so sure it was a mistake by Nuland. She's too experienced a hand at neo-con deception. It may have been a way to get out in front of the issue. They may know that Russia is already in control of one or more of the labs, and is marshaling the proof of what was actually going on. And of course if anything really nasty gets out, well, it's all Russia's fault. 100%!
Yeah, I wonder. I agree with you that she's not the type of person to make a huge mistake this way. It's possible - -and it sounds as if -- working the Ukrainians to secure these labs is what she has been working on most in the last few days, such that when Rubio asked, it was on her mind. It's hard to know her motives. It's just bizarre to throw it out there the way she did, knowing how it would be understood, and it clearly freaked out Rubio which is why he interrupted and so desperately directed her to make that ridiculous claim.
On the other hand, I have seen people in real life struggle to come up with a convincing lie on the spot when they were not expecting the question.
Inexperienced liars usually don’t achieve critical posts in the gov.
They are usually practiced, rehearsed, and expecting the question. Government officials get caught accidentally telling the truth all the time. Its the media's job to memory hole it and pretend it never happened.
It's our job to archive it.
She fucked up. It happens.
Could this have been an attempt to increase the pressure for US military intervention in Ukraine?
Yes.
Glenn, I'm surprised that you are so naive about Victoria Nuland. It is clear that Nuland is trying to “Cover her Fat A$$” (and cover the Pentagon Ass$$) for the shenanigans they have done in Ukraine since 2014 (including the 30 BioWeapons Labs the Pentagon built in Ukraine). I'm surprised that you are unaware of the 2014 Coup that the CIA organized in Ukraine in 2014. You can learn about that Coup in my article on Substack, published in January: https://gregrubini.substack.com/p/massacre-ukraine-2014
That 2014 Coup was organized by John Brennan (then Director of the CIA) and approved by Barack Obama. Victoria Nuland, John Kerry (Sec. of State), Joe Biden (VP) and George Soros played a major role in that Coup in Ukraine. 100 innocent people were killed by SNIPERS in the main square of Kiev. Those snipers were hired by the CIA Operative Eric Ciaramella. (Ciaramella was the famous “secret whistleblower” of Adam Schiff in the Trump Impeachment - “his name cannot be spoken”). Ciaramella speaks Ukrainian, Russian, Georgian and Arabic. He graduated at Yale, in 2008. Ciaramella voter ID: 003427486 (registered Democrat) - you can check.
Sources: 1) https://gregrubini.squarespace.com/ciaramella
2) https://gregrubini.squarespace.com/ciaramella2 - Eric Ciaramella is a “Brennan boy”, and very close to Obama and Joe Biden. Joe Biden flew with Ciaramella a dozen times to Ukraine, on Air Force Two, between 2014 and 2016.
Therefore, if we want to be objective, it was the US that INVADED Ukraine, back in 2014.
What Russia wants, with this Military Operation, is to restore Ukraine as a Neutral Nation, as a buffer between NATO and Russia. Putin has been very clear about that. For Russia, having a hostile NATO puppet regime at their borders is a National Security issue, and a military menace.
2) Glenn, you know, and I know, that all the Western media are controlled by the CIA (since the 1950's). It is the CIA which controls the Narrative in the US and in Europe. The CIA Propaganda Machine. (You know that: Church Committee - 1975, Carl Bernstein article of 1977).
What we are seeing now, in this total Madness, is the CIA Propaganda Machine in action, Full Steam.
Now let's reverse the table...
Imagine if the Russians had organized a Coup in Canada in 2014, installed there a pro-Russian puppet regime, built 30 BioWeapon Labs in Canada and brought in Canada Nuclear armed ICBM's pointed at the US...
This is exactly what the US has done in Ukraine, from 2014 onwards.
It could have been a spontaneous utterance. I've seen a lot of documentary on criminal cases (primarily murder) and suspects at times when confronted with what they did speak as if subconsciously. I'd say that is likely what happened, though once Nuland realized what she said, she could not walk it back.
In the end, even our shadowy master's have feet of clay. They are just fallible humans.
Raskolnikov would agree.
"It's just bizarre to throw it out there the way she did, knowing how it would be understood, and it clearly freaked out Rubio which is why he interrupted and so desperately directed her to make that ridiculous claim."
Which in turn *suggests* that Rubio *may* also know something here.
I dunno. My impression has always been that Rubio would lose an intelligence contest with a turnip.
True, dat--empty suit...
Is it possible that there is something the Russians could uncover in the documents at those labs that would destroy her career>
Most likely, along with blowing Russiagate and the Biden Crime Family out of the water.
The Russians have proof; no way she spills if that isn't the deal.
Exactly. This would be like Anatoly Dobrynin denying the pictures of Russians building missiles in Cuba.
Is there some kind of pathological compulsion that makes our foreign policy establishment do shady, short sighted shit that blows up in our faces? Does no one ask is this really in our interests? What is the worst case scenario if we do this? What do we actually gain from this? How much of a political shit show occurs if this all falls apart? Are we the baddies? You know, basic questions.
I'm coming around to understanding the pathology you described as being caused by late stage capitalism. For me, that's the overarching driver of what's going on. Markets and profits above all.
Don’t smear capitalism because these morons feel compelled to try and rule the world
These morons took Adam Smiths "things not to do" list as a to do list. Of course, making bank while destroying the economy is a nice side bonus.
I'm critiquing, not smearing. I'm using a pretty accepted term; one that's got pretty solid validity to it.
It's rooted in Marxist ideology. Again, there is nothing capitalist about what is happening in our country right now.
😂😂😂. Love it
It’s not that it’s late stage capitalism, it’s Corporatist Capitalism, working on becoming Totalitarian Corporatist Capitalism. We all know what Mussolini called it.
Late stage capitalism, Corporatist Capitalism, the Corptocracy, all these labels point at the same thing. This sub-thread reminds me of the story of a bunch of blind men trying to describe an elephant.
Please stop using that phrase. There is nothing "late stage" going on here except a throughly corrupted government.
Who pissed in your cornflakes?
Oooo did I hurt your wittle feewings???
Not at all. This isn't Twit, y'know. I'm baffled by your finding 'late stage capitalism' so offensive you want me not to use it. Still baffled, but now apathetic, so I'm good.
What we're seeing is not capitalism in any sense of the word. It's purely out-of-control government, which I clearly stated in my initial reply to you.
Agreed, the only reason this is going on is because of government employee unions, ceasing to fire individuals whom repeatedly fail and granting powers to un-named bureaucrats which allows them to operate without oversight from Congress, the President and the Courts.
I'm calling bullshit. Stop with the anti-Capitalism. Capitalism is what we ultimately protect.
What do you mean by 'protect' regarding capitalism?
Look, I have no problem getting into this with you. Let me define my terms:
When I say 'capitalism', I'm referring to the over financialized nature of our current society. I'm not talking about small businesses (not publicly traded is one characteristic of small businesses).
I'm referring to the massive corporations out there that ultimately call the shots as to what the United States (and pretty much the West) do. Their first loyalty is to their 'shareholders'. Now, the institutions (or wealthy individuals) were not (generally speaking) original investors in these companies; they are currently speculators betting that the value of the shares they own will increase over time so that when they sell they will make a profit.
One thing I've seen repeat over and over again is that corporate share prices increase for many, many reasons other than a better product being developed that they can bring to market.
No, instead, I see case after case occur of stock prices going up because of layoffs, outsourcing, mergers, and so on. I'll refer you to Matt Stoeller's substack here to round out the background of this claim.
Furthermore, I've come to the realization in the last 3-4 years...
Corporate capitalists (that's probably a more accurate term for what I mean) now look at their customer base as a resource to be exploited. No longer as a customer who's business is to be earned, but more like a mark to take to the cleaners as much as possible. A glance at the airline/travel industry is a good example. Or, for that matter, grocery shopping, where in the name of 'the environment' we're now being charged for shopping bags, but without any commesurate price decline in the aisles.
Corporate capitalism is constantly seeking, like a blood sucking lamprey an ever higher share holder price. And will don anything, anything to ensure that.
This starts with the insider's club that is the Federal Reserve Bank. Which is, to be honest, a horror-story house of cards on the brink of collapse. (see Lenoard 'The Lords Of Easy Money').
I personally believe that collapse has already begun.
So when I used the term 'late stage capitalism' this is what I was talking about.
"What do you mean by 'protect' regarding capitalism?"
Capitalism, the politico-economic system whereby the individual is elevated above the group (including, of course, the State, and the State's excuse, Society) in philosophical precedence, is the object of Western Civilization that must be defended and protected. You might recognize it as Classical Liberalism.
Classical Liberalism and Capitalism are synonyms.
You mis-use the word, "Capitalism."
There, is that clear enough opinion for you?
Yeah, I read Atlas Shrugged too. Your definition reeks of Ayn Rand (maybe Paul Ryan?).
Sad to say, we really can't discuss this any further because we don't have a common language. The shallow definition you put up...oh god...had a degree of validity back in the late '50's when Rand wrote her book, but that socio-economic system no longer exists. In the last 70 or so years it's morphed/mutated into a completely different entity.
You need to read more in order to speak more intelligently.
I'm not going to continue an argument with someone so uninformed. It's a waste of time. You need to update your assumptions and conclusions as far as I'm concerned.
So! Get your last word in! I won't be responding, but you can mark it as a win, okay?
You could be a bit less snarky and condescending. Reminds me of Psaki. You also mention intellect, however as Steven Hawking said, "Only loosers brag about their IQ's".
LOL! Here, ladies and gentlemen, is a prime example of Progic (Progressive logic).
You sure are wordy. I think you just said, "I disagree" again.
By the way, there are such things as eternal truths.
Taibbi had a good column on this last month: https://bit.ly/3JbcMWE
Yes basic questions, good questions, simple questions, honest questions. What does that mean? Maybe you answered your own questions. Maybe we just don’t want to believe it, but, yes indeed, demonstrably and repeatedly - WE ARE THE BADDIES! New frame of reference is required, to move forward we must assume yes we are the problem. (I’m Canadian but no matter Canada is fully complicit .)
You pretty much answered your own question. "our faces"<>"their faces"...
The Ukraine is being used as a throwaway country with throwaway people by political sociopaths like the neocons. Drunk with the power to manipulate (and destroy) others so they can continue what used to be described as The Great Game, they rely (with plenty of evidence) on the fact that they personally will never suffer punishment. Very telling that Rubio provided cover rather than pressing her for details and evidence of these potentially dangerous labs.
"Very telling that Rubio provided cover rather than pressing her for details and evidence of these potentially dangerous labs."
Rubio is not to be trusted as far as I'm concerned...
I found his constant harping on about a "new American century" to be a big red flag considering the damage the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has done.
That's a big 10-4...
Rubio has been lying about Venezuela and Cuba for years. This shit isn’t new
I also heard him make comments about WWIII and supporting Ukraine. I don't know how deep he is in the swamp, only that he's a part of it.
Pretty deep. If you want to "go deep" on Rubio, read the following, follow the links, follow the links in the linked articles, and you will find plenty of reasons not to trust Mr. Rubio:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2020/05/27/marco-rubio-moves-to-protect-senate-from-exposure-in-their-role-against-president-trump/
Sad, truly sad. Sadly I'm not completely surprised. The circle the wagon tactic...most likely regarding Trump's plans to pardon Snowden and Assange. If that is indeed the case, he should be sacked.
Lil Marco is one of my senators. A more pathetic Neocon water-carrier would be difficult to find. That's one good thing Trump did, in destroying Marco in the debates.
me too until I moved to Collier County last year; his only redeeming value is he married a Dolphins cheerleader
He's got a sinecure thanks to the Cuban ex-pat community vote, doesn't he? Too bad some other, more honest candidate couldn't somehow erode that support
Glad you're out there, Glenn. Thank you for all you do.
Glenn...you and Tiabbi are the new NYTimes and Washington Post...difficult to discuss with friends when all resort to propaganda like "isolationist" if one ever disagrees with these two neo con parties...im forwarding your articles non stop...and it's SLOWLY working!!!!
SOOOOO Happy with my subscription
And Substack!!!!
Make sure to ask your friends to subscribe, too.
I used a $50.00 check I got as a Christmas gift from an aunt who listens to NPR all of the time. She'd go ballistic if she found out I used her gift to support Greenwald. Some discretion is advised in who you ask to support.
So understood!!!
Of course...just an over sight
Why would you insult a fine pair like Glen and Matt by comparing them to the NY Slime and the Wash Putz. They have been warmongering stooges of the MIC, CIA & Corporatism since at least the 1950s.
The NYT had a useful idiot in the USSR during Stalin's man-made famine of 1932-1933 who said "There is no famine." His Pulitzer Prize has yet to be revoked.
Ditto, man. Dit-frikin'-O!
Thx to Wikileaks we know all about Victoria "F--k the EU" Nuland......In her rarefied world unintended consequences are like, you know, expected and soooo tiresome....
This is an extremely important story. This is stunningly dangerous situation. Nuclear power plants, Chernoble, bioweapons plants, with Russians bombing the heck of out everything in sight and threatening to use targeted battlefield nukes, while our government is pushing for a shooting war with Russia via a no fly zone. This is about as perilous as it gets and the war propaganda is non-stop, not that Americas neo-liberal interventionists and neocons need much provocation.
It's important to note that anyone saying Ukraine can stop the Russian Army is lying. It’s standard war propaganda to say the enemy is weak, is poorly supplied, are badly trained, has a losing strategy, has low morale, and is going to lose. But it’s bullshit. It’s lies. Stop believing it. It’s nonsense.
The Pentagon and CIA are controlling the media narrative to keep Ukraine fighting an unwinnable war— in hopes of making them a failed state, quagmire and proxy war to destabilize Putin’s regime. Do they care that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are going to die? No, they don't.
Will the Pentagon and CIA succeed in creating regime change in Russia via this humanitarian disaster, they are encouraging, and the proxy war they are waging? No. They won't, because people rally around their evil garbage leader when their country is being economically attacked. And China is going to buy their oil and gas and float their economy with financial instruments. So buckle up for the long haul.
The worst part of this harebrained "strategy" by our CIA and Pentagon is that the American people tired of these propaganda campaigns and protracted wars. By summer Americans will be calling for us to end this immediately. Then what does Biden do? I hope nothing. Let's all hope nothing. Because the only tool left in the toolbox at that point is WWIII.
The media is simultaneously saying Putin is too weak to take Ukraine AND he will steamroll over Europe after he finishes in Ukraine.
They also claim he is insane and unhinged, but apparently don't worry about him firing nuclear warheads should NATO impose a no fly zone. I'd laugh at their doublespeak if it wasn't so frightening.
Just a note: as I ponted out in the comments to another of Glenn's Ukraine-related columns here, on paper, at least, Russia has a far more robust protocol to prevent use of nukes as other than a last resort in defense of the mother country itself than does the US. I furnished detail and links in that comment. It attracted no apparent interest, I'm not going to go to the trouble again unless someone asks.
Oh I know that. Russia lies downwind of not only Ukraine but the EU as a whole. Using nukes there would result in radiation being blown onto Russia.
Not really my point. Russia has official documents that (summary) require that there be a demonstrated existential threat to Russia before any nuclear weapon is used. The US has a policy dating from the 1962 Cuban Missle Crisis that says that the POTUS should consult with his military and NatSec advisors before ordering a nuclear strike. Obviously, the requirements on each side could be subject to gamesmanship, but I think an actual, documented protocol that mitigates against unneccessary use is superior to some informal understanding that says that if the US President decides to start a nuclear war as he eats his morning cornflakes, it is highly recommended that discuss that impulse with some of his staff, first.
Ahh, so a bigger point than the obvious. And yes, the Russians, on paper at least, have a superior system.
"biden" is clearly not in charge.
Uniparty. It is a scandal that our corrupt govt has bio weapons labs all over the world. Disgusting
I watched a Russian MOD senior officer talk for about 4-5 minutes about this last night. Its a new clip that just came out.
This is a disgusting mess. How do we get through this? How do we leave the world a better place than how we found it? Because the world we are setting up for our future generations is cruel.
Human's are animals designed to hunt and kill. Humans are greedy. Humans are cruel. Humans are ignorant.... But for some reason everyone knows whats best for everyone else.
I hope that some pragmatism prevails. I hope that the general population wakes up to who is responsible for bringing our world to this place... and its not Putin. Sorry.
Do not come to me to say that Putin is evil and was out of line in the actions that he has just chosen to take. Who are you? Who are you to decide what is what is not in the best interest of a nation? Where do you get the hubris to tell the leader of a nation what to do on his own borders? I just watched the US/NATO turn the middle east to rubble over 20 years. Never mind Bosnia/Yugoslavia and the sh**t that happened there. Where were the cries for war crime tribunals for those in the west who played a role in the MURDER?
When are you going to scream and cry and post an Afghani flag in your profile for the hundreds of thousands if not millions dead, misplaced and permanently wounded? Where were you when a hellfire missile was fired into the windshield of 10 non combatants in the US/NATO retreat of Afghanistan? Has any US or EU official been held accountable yet?
How about Yemen? Where are all the Yemeni flag wavers? Where are the millions of virtue signaling screaming liberal voices to raise awareness to the famine and death and hell that the US and SA have inflicted on the Yemenis population?
What about the 500,000 ++ killed in Syria? Where are your flags virtue signalers? Can YOU even point to Aleppo on a map?
Millions of people have been tricked and/or have allowed themselves to become anti-Russian racists in 4 days. Are you proud of this? Are you proud of the fact that Russian musicians and artists are being banned and having their books burned? Does that make you happy Lib? Does it satisfy your sense of virtue when you find out hundreds of US companies pulled their business out from the CITIZENS of Russia? Are you content that your working class brothers and sisters all through Russia get cut off from the world because of your addiction to appeasement?
What political ideology is dominant through all of these companies and tech firms? Don't you f'ing tell me that we have gotten to this point because of conservative principles and policy. This is because of western woke rich liberals. Period.
Makes you wonder doesn't it..... The amount of energy thats been put into making Putin out to be this person, The media coordination. This very same apparatus also drove a narrative to destroy Donald Trump. The SAME apparatus.
Ever wonder if your opinion of Trump is just that? What you were told its supposed to be?
Whatever. I am scatterbrained. I went from Trudeau in Canada destroying the working class and its rights to being told Putin is about to end the world. What Putin is doing actually is embarrassing Victoria Nuland and Tony Blinkin. Putin is dismantling their toys. The reason why the media and liberal establishment is losing its mind is because Putin has finally said something these people have never been told before... He told them "NO"
You have to think whats going on in Lindsey Grahams mind. He and his peer group sepnd the last 20-30 years able to control the chess board. They tried and failed... what... SEVEN regime change missions? After millions of lives. After millions of refugees. After trillions in infrastructure damage. After 20+ years... It has to be a very emotional thing to lose. Lindsey Graham and his peers get to go down in history as murderers who never achieved a single f'ing victory... and THATS WHY they f'ing hate V Putin. He is the better chess player.
That is all this is and they are willing to take the planet down over it as we can all see.
"US has 336 labs in 30 countries"
Whichever country is quickest to jettison its safeguards and regulations on biological research will receive the lion's share of funding. This is the intense competition fostered by globalization that ultimately benefits everyone.
I hope to God that the last statement were sarcasm.
And why would be be so concerned if we were funding research into something that cannot be weaponized, a new kind of boner pill or whatever? For that matter, why are these labs funded by the DoD and not the NIH or NSF or whatever?
Odd.
I'm not sure why you state that such a pill could not be weaponized.
Actually I understand it was in Afghanistan. The US gave “boner pills” to elderly leaders to bring them onside.
And they never did a thing about the little boys they were then sodomizing either.
Bacha bazi - Literally, "boy play".
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html
Exactly, the quack 'scientists' among the swamp rats will go to the least safe locations with the least oversight to conduct their experiments because they aren't hindered by safety standards.
I half think they should all be rounded up, put on a plane and sent to Moscow as a peace offering.