The Defiant - DeFi Podcast

In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, Paul Frambot, Co-Founder of Morpho, details how DeFi is transforming the financial industry by intersecting with fintech, shifting value to network users, and reshaping how lending protocols work. He outlines the evolution from early peer-to-peer lending to today's permissionless, immutable infrastructure, highlighting Morpho's product design, its approach to risk management, and specific use cases in institutional finance and global wallet integration. Discussions cover the role of risk managers, transparency benefits, the emergence of DeFi as backbone infrastructure for fintechs, and how platforms like Coinbase now use Morpho behind the scenes.

Paul reflects on how Morpho enables global liquidity, allows businesses and individuals to create custom lending markets, and how DeFi’s open competition leads to better rates and more efficient markets. The conversation wraps with thoughts on unsecured lending, the path to real-world financial product integration, and Morpho's long-term vision to become the foundational protocol for global financing.

Chapters:

00:00 Fintech disruption, DeFi’s impact on infrastructure

01:21 Founding Morpho: backstory and protocol design

03:04 Pushing for permissionless, immutable protocol infrastructure

04:16 Institutional adoption, wallet integrations, and B2B use cases

07:01 Managing risk and collateral in open protocols

10:32 Shift in institutional engagement and business adoption

15:20 Native on-chain fund issuance, regulations, and international frameworks

17:04 Equity and securities as next steps for on-chain finance

19:03 Real-world example: Coinbase leveraging Morpho for global lending liquidity

20:28 End-to-end DeFi integrations: wallet abstraction and feature parity

22:26 Four core benefits when fintechs use DeFi as backend

24:07 Transparency, self-custody, and proof of reserves in DeFi

25:06 Institutional desire for infrastructure ownership—not just distribution

26:29 Competitive rates: DeFi vs. traditional finance lending

27:51 Barriers for banks: regulation, compliance, privacy, and operational hurdles

30:00 Privacy on-chain: transaction anonymity vs. amount privacy

32:29 How DeFi lending markets evolved: competition and network effects

34:00 Differing visions: Morpho as infrastructure vs. Aave as integrated bank

37:12 Market size: overcollateralized and undercollateralized lending potential

38:04 How DeFi could unlock unsecured credit

41:24 Under-collateralized lending, trust, and on-chain identity primitives

44:28 Morpho’s long-term vision and the future of DeFi/fintech convergence

In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, we sit down with Nicholas Kunkel, Founder of Chronicle Labs and a pioneer in the world of decentralized finance (DeFi). From his early days at MakerDAO, where he helped build the first oracles and decentralized exchanges, to launching Chronicle Labs, Nicholas shares his journey of innovation and problem-solving in the crypto space.

We dive into the challenges of building efficient oracles, the rise of tokenized real-world assets (RWAs), and the convergence of traditional finance (TradFi) with DeFi. Nicholas also discusses the technical and strategic differences between Chronicle Labs and other oracle providers, the role of tokenized assets in reshaping finance, and his ambitious vision for a future where decentralized and traditional finance merge seamlessly.

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Niklas Kunkel, Founder of Chronicle

00:22 From MakerDAO to Chronicle Labs: Building the first oracles and decentralized exchanges.

01:23 The Birth of Oracles

05:27 Chronicle Labs vs. Competitors

10:11 Exploring the role of tokenized treasuries, private credit, and other RWAs in DeFi.

13:07 Challenges of RWA Integration: Data requirements, liquidity concerns, and the complexities of tokenizing real-world assets.

21:30 Convergence of DeFi and TradFi

25:33 Chronicle’s Business Model

30:24 Scaling tokenized assets to surpass crypto-native assets in total value secured.

34:19 Long-Term Vision

35:44 Closing Thoughts

On this episode of the Defiant Podcast, Charlie Hu, co-founder of Bit Layer, discusses the evolution of Bitcoin beyond its role as a store of value. The conversation addresses trends in Bitcoin programmability, the development of layer two networks, liquidity in DeFi, and adoption by institutions. Cami and Charlie discuss technical distinctions among Bitcoin scaling solutions and the integration of Bitcoin with other blockchain ecosystems. Then, they conclude by exploring practical considerations for developers and users interested in these changes.

Chapters:

00:00 - 00:17 Introduction; Bitcoin’s binary narrative debated 

00:17 - 00:28 Potential impacts of low network activity 

00:37 - 00:59 Bitlayer overview and recent platform developments 

00:59 - 01:26 Bitcoin’s price rally and changing role 

01:26 - 02:09 Guest background: early experiences in Web3 

02:09 - 03:15 Lessons from Ethereum and cross-chain growth 

03:15 - 06:06 Founding Bitlayer; motivations and industry context 

06:06 - 09:59 Network sustainability and security considerations 

09:59 - 16:00 Bit Layer’s technology focus and design choices 

16:00 - 30:08 Bitcoin Virtual Machines and cross-ecosystem cooperation 

30:08 - 45:00 Unlocking Bitcoin liquidity; DeFi adoption and risks 

45:00 - 52:00 Institutional involvement and new use cases 

52:00 - End Onboarding, governance, and next steps for the ecosystem

Dogecoin started as a joke, but could it become the foundation of a thriving app ecosystem? In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, we sit down with Jordan Jefferson, CEO of MyDoge and DogeOS, to explore why building infrastructure on Dogecoin is an exciting opportunity. We discuss the unique culture of the Doge community, the challenges of building on a meme coin, and how DogeOS is positioning itself as the app layer for the people's currency. Whether you're a DeFi enthusiast, a crypto trader, or just Doge-curious, this conversation is packed with insights, laughs, and a vision for the future of Dogecoin. Welcome to the moon.

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction: Dogecoin's EvolutionA look at Dogecoin's journey from meme coin to movement.

02:04 Meet Jordan JeffersonCEO of MyDoge and DogeOS shares his vision for Dogecoin.

03:14 Why Build on Dogecoin?The unique opportunity Dogecoin offers for developers and users.

05:38 The Power of the Doge CommunityHow memes, vibes, and a strong community drive innovation.

09:07 DogeOS: The App Layer for DogecoinExploring DogeOS's features, from gaming to DeFi and beyond.

15:09 Gaming and Memes: Dogecoin's Secret SauceWhy casual gaming and meme culture are perfect for Doge.

20:00 DeFi on Dogecoin: Opportunities and ChallengesBuilding financial infrastructure for the people's currency.

34:20 Why DeFi Users Should Care About DogeBetter yields, safer leverage, and unique opportunities.

49:07 ZK Upgrades and the Future of DogecoinHow zero-knowledge proofs could unlock Dogecoin's potential.

54:31 Lightning Round: Fun with Jordan JeffersonQuick-fire questions about Doge, gaming, and digital cash.

On the 10th anniversary of Ethereum's genesis block, we sit down with Joe Lubin, Ethereum co-founder and CEO of ConsenSys, for an exclusive deep dive into the past, present, and future of the Ethereum ecosystem. From the concept of 'digital oil' to Ethereum's role as the foundation of a decentralized global economy, Joe shares his vision for the next decade of blockchain innovation. Tune in to hear his thoughts on staking strategies, the rise of DeFi, and why Ethereum is poised to become the substrate for the world's financial system.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction – Setting the stage for Ethereum’s 10th anniversary.

01:00 Joe Lubin’s Vision – Ethereum as civilization-scale infrastructure.

02:19 Staking Strategies – Insights into ConsenSys’ ETH accumulation and staking.

05:08 Overcoming Challenges – Scalability, usability, and regulatory hurdles.

10:08 Decentralized Stablecoins – The need for ETH and BTC to support DeFi growth.

15:11 DeFi and TradFi Convergence – How Ethereum is reshaping finance.

22:08 Ethereum’s Role in the Global Economy – Becoming the substrate for trust.

30:00 Multi-Chain Future – Why Ethereum will remain foundational.

40:00 The Next Decade – Joe’s predictions for Ethereum’s growth and impact.

45:00 Closing Thoughts – Celebrating Ethereum’s 10th birthday.

In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, we sit down with Sam MacPherson, CEO and co-founder of Phoenix Labs, to discuss Spark (SPK)—the DeFi protocol making waves in the cryptocurrency world. From its groundbreaking subDAO model to its recent $10 billion TVL milestone, Spark is reshaping decentralized finance. We dive into the latest developments, including the Ignition Airdrop and institutional adoption. Tune in to explore how Spark is bridging the gap between traditional finance and DeFi, and what the future holds for this rapidly evolving ecosystem.Chapters00:00 - IntroductionMeet Sam Macpherson, CEO of Phoenix Labs, and the vision behind Spark.01:23 - Spark’s Rapid GrowthHow Spark became one of the biggest DeFi protocols with $10B TVL.05:10 - The SubDAO ModelBalancing decentralization and nimbleness to scale effectively.08:05 - Why Decentralization MattersSam’s passionate defense of decentralization as a core principle for global infrastructure.12:00 - Challenges of Traditional DAOsThe limitations of flat governance structures and how Spark overcame them.15:30 - Ignition Airdrop and Overdrive PhaseHow staking incentives are driving SPK adoption and price action.20:00 - Institutional AdoptionSpark’s partnerships with Coinbase, BlackRock, and the rise of tokenized RWAs.24:00 - Spark Liquidity LayerEnhancing governance and liquidity.27:16 - Spark Token LaunchGovernance, staking, and how SPK empowers the community.30:00 - Transparency in DeFiSpark’s commitment to making every layer of its ecosystem visible.35:00 - The Future of StablecoinsWhy scaling stablecoins requires diverse collateral types.38:00 - Bitcoin-Backed LoansTapping into new markets with OTC Bitcoin loans and institutional interest.42:00 - Bridging DeFi and Traditional FinanceHow Spark is integrating with fintechs and creating seamless user experiences.45:00 - Ethereum’s Role in DeFiSam’s thoughts on Ethereum’s evolution and its renewed optimism.

The crypto world is buzzing with the passage of the Genius Act, a groundbreaking piece of legislation that sets new standards for stablecoins and crypto exchanges. In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, host Vinny dives deep into the implications of this law with Diane Magince, Senior Marketing Officer, and Breno Sperandio, VP of Partnerships at Biconomy.com. Together, they explore how this act is reshaping the industry, the opportunities it unlocks, and what it means for the future of digital assets.

Chapters:

00:00 Big News in Crypto: The Genius Act is signed into law

01:49 Introduction to Diane Magince, Breno Sperandio, and Biconomy.com

05:19 Market trends, altcoin season, and the role of AI in trading

11:48 Marketing in a Regulated World

19:17 Stablecoins and the Future of Finance

27:26 How the Genius Act is driving legitimacy, transparency, and trust

33:18 Mobile-First DeFi

45:49 Upcoming developments and partnerships for Biconomy.com

54:16 Coming Up Next Week

In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, we explore the global shift toward Bitcoin as digital gold with Jeff Garzik, Co-Founder of Hemi, the largest programmable Bitcoin sidechain. Jeff shares his journey as a crypto OG, from contributing to Bitcoin in its earliest days to building innovative scaling solutions for Bitcoin. We discuss macroeconomic trends driving Bitcoin adoption, the evolution of decentralized finance, and how Hemi is shaping the future of BTCFi.

Chapters

• 00:00: Intro to the episode

• 00:06: Why the world is turning to Bitcoin

• 01:00: Meet Jeff Garzik: A crypto OG’s journey

• 03:06: From Linux to Bitcoin: Lessons in decentralization

• 06:08: Scaling Bitcoin: The evolution of sidechains

• 09:05: Hemi’s approach to Bitcoin security and DeFi

• 12:17: The rise of Bitcoin as a global reserve currency

• 15:16: Hemi’s innovations: Proof of Proof mining and beyond

• 20:20: Bitcoin DeFi: Challenges and opportunities

• 25:00: Macro trends driving Bitcoin adoption

• 30:00: The future of Bitcoin DeFi and Hemi’s roadmap

• 35:00: Bitcoin’s role in a decentralized financial future

• 40:00: Closing thoughts and where to find Hemi

In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, we sit down with Hasu, strategic advisor to Lido, to explore their cutting-edge developments in Ethereum staking. From the introduction of dual governance to the game-changing Lido V3 upgrade, Hasu breaks down how Lido is enhancing decentralization, liquidity, and security for stakers. We also dive into the evolving role of Ethereum in DeFi, the future of staking for institutions, and the broader implications of programmable money.

Chapters 

00:07 Introduction

01:22 Introduction to Lido and Its Importance

02:49 Governance Changes in Lido

06:03 Understanding Dual Governance

08:51 Participation and Engagement in Governance

11:46 Systemic Risks of Centralized Staking

14:37 Decentralization and Node Operators

17:50 The Future of Lido and Ethereum

20:39 Becoming a Node Operator in Lido

23:46 Distributed Validator Technology (DVT)

29:32 Understanding DVT and Its Impact on Ethereum

31:54 The Debate on Staking Caps for Ethereum

39:50 Ethereum's Role in DeFi and Beyond

47:40 Introducing Lido V3: A New Era of Staking

55:38 Future Integrations and Growth of Lido

Privacy in the digital age is more than a feature—it's a necessity. In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, host Vinny sits down with Georgi Koreli, co-founder and CEO of Hinkal Wallet, to explore the cutting-edge innovations shaping Web3 privacy. From Georgie’s fascinating journey from professional wrestling to crypto entrepreneurship, to the challenges of public blockchains and the solutions Hinkal Wallet offers, this conversation dives deep into the future of decentralized finance.

Discover how privacy stacks, invisible wallets, and decentralized coordination are transforming the financial ecosystem, and learn why privacy is the key to unlocking mass adoption in crypto. Georgi also shares insights on regulatory challenges, the role of compliance, and how enterprises can prepare for the next wave of blockchain innovation.

Chapters:

00:07 Transparency vs. Privacy: The paradox of innovation and exposure in Web3.

03:05 Introduction to the podcast and Georgie Corelli.

03:22 Georgi’s Background and Journey to Crypto

04:27 Public Blockchains and Privacy

05:16 The Concept of Invisible Wallets

10:01 Regulatory Perspectives in Europe

12:58 The New Privacy Stack

15:42 Public vs. Private Blockchains

17:18 Privacy and Compliance

20:08 Lessons from Recent Data Breaches

24:02 Decentralized Coordination and Privacy

28:15 Preparing for Mass Adoption of Crypto

32:08 The Future of Privacy in Finance

39:22 Closing Thoughts

In this episode of the Defiant Podcast, we sit down with Michael Bentley, co-founder and CEO of Euler Labs, to explore one of the most remarkable comeback stories in DeFi history. From a devastating $200M exploit in 2023 to surpassing $1B in outstanding loans, Euler Labs has redefined resilience and innovation in the crypto space.

Michael shares the emotional and technical challenges of navigating the exploit, the process of recovering funds, and the lessons learned along the way. We also dive into the evolution of Euler Labs, the launch of V2, and their groundbreaking innovations in DeFi lending, borrowing, and stablecoins.

Whether you're a crypto enthusiast, a DeFi builder, or just love a good comeback story, this episode is packed with insights, inspiration, and a behind-the-scenes look at the future of decentralized finance.

Chapters:

00:00 - Introduction

01:27 - Meet Michael Bentley: CEO of Euler Labs

02:03 - The Early Days: From PhD to Crypto

04:02 - Founding Euler Labs: Hackathon Beginnings

08:10 - Innovations in DeFi Lending

13:00 - The 2023 Exploit: What Happened?

20:33 - Recovering $200M: Negotiating with the Hacker

33:04 - Picking Up the Pieces: Team Resilience

36:41 - Launching V2: A New Chapter

42:29 - Differentiating Euler Labs in DeFi

45:24 - The Future of DeFi: Institutional Adoption

50:43 - Lessons for Founders: Resilience and Security

52:24 - Closing Thoughts: The Hard Things Are Worth It

Join us for an in-depth conversation with Steven Goldfeder, Co-Founder and CEO of Offchain Labs, the parent company of Arbitrum—the leading Ethereum Layer 2 solution by Total Value Locked (TVL).

In this episode, we explore:

• How optimistic rollups work and their role in Ethereum's scalability

• The ZK vs. optimistic rollup debate

• The future of Ethereum L2s and their impact on the Ethereum ecosystem

• Steven’s insights on DeFi growth, ETH vs. BTC, and the importance of neutrality in tech stacks

The episode kicks off with a special clip from AJ Warner, Co-Founder of Arbitrum, recorded at EthCC, before diving into Steven’s journey into blockchain and his vision for the future of Ethereum scalability.

00:00:00 – Why Ethereum Made Rollups Too Cheap to Ignore

00:00:31 – Meet AJ Warner, Co-Founder of Arbitrum (Live from EthCC!)

00:00:45 – Robinhood’s Big Crypto Announcement: What It Means for Ethereum

00:06:10 – Transition to Steven Goldfeder: The Visionary Behind Arbitrum

00:07:05 – Steven’s Journey: From Academia to Blockchain Pioneer

00:13:24 – Optimistic Rollups 101: How They Supercharge Ethereum

00:21:06 – ZK vs. Optimistic Rollups: The Great Debate

00:29:34 – How Ethereum L2s Are Strengthening the Ethereum Mainnet

00:36:20 – What More Can Ethereum Do to Support L2s?

00:38:57 – The Status of Stage 2 L2s: What’s Next?

00:40:12 – Enshrining L2s: The Future of Ethereum Scalability

00:40:25 – Infrastructure Trade-Offs: Making the Right Choices

00:46:35 – Bridging the Gap: Interoperability Between L1s and L2s

00:51:38 – What Sets Arbitrum Apart from the Competition?

00:56:51 – Neutrality and Fairness: The Cornerstones of Tech Stacks

01:04:52 – DeFi’s Next Chapter: Steven’s Predictions for ETH, BTC, and Beyond

01:08:37 – Closing Thoughts: The Road Ahead for Ethereum and Arbitrum

Don’t miss this deep dive into the world of Ethereum Layer 2s and the innovations shaping the future of blockchain.

In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, we sit down with Vlad Tenev, Co-founder and CEO of Robinhood, to explore how Robinhood is bringing tokenized U.S. stocks to the EU, launching an Ethereum L2 with Arbitrum tech, and shaping the future of finance. From tokenized private shares to the long-term vision of blockchain adoption, Vlad shares insights on regulation, innovation, and the battle between Robinhood and Coinbase. Is crypto the backbone of global finance? Tune in to find out!

Chapters:

00:00 Intro: How do you get people in the U.S. excited about stocks onchain?

00:52 Introduction to Vlad Tenev, Co-Founder and CEO of Robinhood

01:30 Tokenized U.S. stocks, private company stocks, Robin Hood blockchain, USDG, and other announcements

02:35 Robinhood offers tokenized U.S. stocks to customers in the EU

06:52 Primary market for private companies’ tokenized shares

13:55 Robinhood launches Ethereum L2 using Arbitrum tech

18:45 Will Robinhood launch a token?

20:00 What regulation will need to happen in the U.S. to launch these products here?

24:47 How do these crypto announcements fit into the long term vision of RH?

28:43 RH chain as an enabler for this vision of global adoption

30:45 Will crypto remain a niche asset class or become the backbone of finance?

35:10 Robinhood vs. Coinbase

37:10 The DeFi Mullet: UX and DeFi on Robinhood

41:55 What makes Vlad a believer in crypto innovation?

46:10 Closing remarks

Looking to understand stablecoins, onchain yields, and the future of DeFi?

Join us as Vikram Arun, CEO of Superform, shares expert insights on stablecoin yield strategies, the role of Web3 technology in automation, and whether 20% onchain yields are truly sustainable in today’s crypto economy. 

Plus, we explore the impact of the GENIUS Act on the crypto industry and discuss the intersection of innovation and regulation in shaping the future of digital assets. 

Topics Included: 

• The evolution of stablecoins as a financial tool 

• Why automation is critical for DeFi growth 

• The long-term potential of yield-generating assets 

• The fading stigma of crypto and its real-world financial integration 

Chapters:

00:00 Defiant Info

00:41 Introduction to Vikram Arun, Founder and CEO of Superform

01:31 Crypto is a better form of money

03:30 Early AMMs as an entry into crypto

05:44 Stablecoins and yield 

07:35 20% onchain yield on Superform: is it sustainable?

11:03 Web3 tech with Web2 functionality 

13:23 Automation in stablecoin yield

15:51 The GENIUS Act’s effects on the crypto ecosystem

17:30 GENIUS and decentralization

21:20 The importance of demand in ideating crypto products

22:55 Circle, Stripe, Paypal, and public sentiment towards stablecoins

24:27 Interest rates hold steady, what’s the impact on crypto?

26:40 Speculation and the memecoin resurgence

30:00 Yield-generating assets and age demographics

32:05 Integrating wealth building into people’s mindsets with DeFi

33:45 The next phase of onchain yield

36:25 Will this innovation be enough to defeat crypto’s bad reputation?

37:48 Crypto’s rising tide into TradFi and daily life

39:55 NFTs in the next DeFi summer

41:48 Advice for people who want to start earning yield

43:00 Lightning round!

43:55 Closing remarks

What does the future of blockchain look like, and where do multi-chain systems fit in? On this episode, we're joined by Emin Gün Sirer, CEO and Founder of Ava Labs and one of the most prominent figures in blockchain innovation. Emin unpacks how Avalanche is reshaping the decentralized world with its groundbreaking consensus protocol, multi-chain scaling, and commitment to maintaining blockchain’s core values. 

We also discuss:

• Avalanche vs. Bitcoin and Ethereum

• Gaming and DeFi innovations on Avalanche 

• Fighting centralization and the challenges of scale 

• The role of stablecoins and central banks in Avalanche’s ecosystem 

Chapters:

00:00 Defiant intro

00:07 If the future of blockchain is centralized, I don’t want to be here

00:54 intro to Emin Gün Sirer, Founder and CEO of Ava Labs

04:29 Building the fastest consensus protocol on the market

04:43 How is Avalanche different from Bitcoin?

08:10 Avalanche vs. other multi chain systems 

12:16 L2 scaling vs. multi chain scaling

16:55 Evaluating Ethereum’s promises 

19:45 Interoperability on Avalanche

20:25 What’s the narrative behind Avalanche?

23:47 Avalanche’s long term strategy 💫

26:25 Gaming example: OTG

29:16 How flexible are Avalanche chains?

31:13 How do you maintain the tenets of blockchain across chains?

33:05 What's the liquidity breakdown between these L1 chains?

34:54 Avalanche’s TVL vs users and adoption

38:00 Fighting centralization on Avalanche 

43:15 AVAX value and uses

45:58 Increased activity on Avalanche

48:00 It’s been a Bitcoin story: where do alt projects fit in?

53:33 Stablecoins and exciting catalysts for DeFi

53:15 Assets want to be digital

55:35 How do stable coins fit into Avalanche?

56:19 Prediction: central banks getting into stablecoins

57:11 Challenges with central banks getting into stablecoins

59:13 The next major milestones for Avalanche

01:06:52 Closing Remarks

Ethereum Staking ETFs are gaining traction—but what does this mean for crypto investors? Evan Weiss, COO of Alluvial, breaks it down. Get key insights on regulation, institutional staking infrastructure, and the financial benefits for everyday users. Plus, learn how institutional players are driving change in the staking ecosystem and the potential for ETFs to revolutionize and democratize crypto investments.

From Capitol Hill to the crypto ecosystem, Evan Weiss dives into the growing momentum behind Ethereum Staking ETFs.

Chapters:

00:00 Defiant Intro

00:07 Intro Quote

00:43 Intro to Evan Weiss, COO of Alluvial and Founder of POSA

03:09 Proof of Stake Alliance, staking, and regulation

05:57 POSA on Capitol Hill

08:26 Ethereum ETFs gaining momentum

12:31 Case study: 3iQ Ethereum Staking ETF

13:53 Staking, liquidity, and better returns for consumers

15:17 REX Shares proposes Ethereum staking ETF classified as a C-corporation

18:16 How Pectra has influenced institutional staking infrastructure on Ethereum

21:51 Normalizing staking for everyday users

25:41 How staking democratizes transaction fees

28:19 SEC’s May 29, 2025 Staking Statement

29:33 Staking is not a small business

30:34 Staking industry coming together on regulation

32:17 Increased security and rewards in crypto investing

34:59 Key steps for institutions and governments in regulating crypto

37:52 Will Ethereum Staking ETFs be as common as stocks?

38:16 Tradfi’s creativity meets crypto technology

39:00 The role of liquid staking evolving with institutional activity

40:23 Closing Remarks

What happens when traditional finance and decentralized finance collide? Join us in this insightful interview with Sandy Kaul, Head of Innovation at Franklin Templeton, as we explore the firm’s groundbreaking crypto experiments, DeFi-enabled opportunities, and the future of tokenized money market funds. 

Key Topics Covered 

• Franklin Templeton’s onchain money market fund 

• How evolving crypto infrastructure is reshaping TradFi 

• New TradFi products enabled by crypto 

• Tokenization vs. stablecoins 

• Supply chain and enterprise resource management powered by DeFi 

• Regulation, obstacles, and the merging of TradFi and DeFi 

Get a front-row seat to how one of the world’s leading financial institutions is driving innovation in the space.

Chapters:

00:00 Defiant Intro

01:04 Introduction to Sandy Kaul, Head of Innovation at Franklin Templeton

06:56 Franklin Templeton experimenting with crypto to save costs

08:11 Franklin Templeton’s onchain money market fund

09:26 Evolving crypto infrastructure from 2019 to today

11:42 What do institutions look for when planning to launch a product onchain?

13:41 Choosing blockchains based on use cases

16:15 Three new TradFi offerings enabled by crypto

19:56 Additional applications for DeFi: supply chain management

21:56 Additional applications for DeFi: enterprise resource management systems

22:49 Tokenized money market funds vs. stablecoins

25:11 Product bundles and asset classes

28:31 Obstacles to offering more crypto products

31:26 What clarity are you looking to regulation for?

34:16 Complex DeFi products being accepted in TradFi 

35:13 DeFi and TradFi need to support one another

37:04 Regulation will open up new pools of assets and value 

38:56 What will the merging of TradFi and crypto look like?

41:10 Will the back of house for these firms move onchain?

42:55 Consumer demand for crypto products

47:15 Payments outside of fiat

48:34 Incorporating crypto into Franklin Templeton model portfolios

50:35 What is the demand for current crypto offerings?

54:30 What does success look like for Franklin Templeton?

55:30 Closing Remarks

In this episode of the Defiant Podcast, Vinny speaks with Alex Estorick, Editor in Chief of Right Click Save, about the evolving landscape of NFTs and digital art. They discuss the convergence of art and technology, the financialization of culture, and the role of artists in a world where art and finance are increasingly intertwined. The conversation also touches on the emergence of meme coins as cultural artifacts, the diversity within the crypto community, and the challenges artists face regarding royalties in the NFT space. 

Highlights of this episode include:

• The convergence of art and technology 

• The emergence of meme coins as cultural artifacts 

• Diversity and challenges within the crypto and NFT space 

• Opportunities for artists in DeFi and Web3 

• The role of AI, tokenized data, and decentralized ownership in the future. 

00:00 Episode Intro

03:08 Introduction to Alex Estorick and the NFT Revolution

04:55 Financialization of Art and Culture

08:37 The Role of Artists in a Financialized World

12:13 Cultural Moments and Meme Coins

15:38 Diversity of Habits and Politics in the Crypto Community

17:40 Takeaways from Conversations at NFC

19:10 Is the Battle for Blockchain Dominance Necessary?

20:25 Renewed Bullishness on Ethereum

22:45 Reactions to the Debate Around Royalties

28:30 The Evolution of Value in Digital Art

30:20 Exploring DeFi Opportunities for Artists

35:35 The Intersection of Crypto and AI

37:25 Tokenizing Personal Data and Personhood

42:01 Decentralized AI and Data Ownership

45:05 The Future of Crypto in a Dystopian Landscape

48:15 Navigating the Complexities of Web3 and Digital Economy

50:15 Closing Remarks

In this conversation, Camila Russo interviews Tomasz Stanczak, Co-Executive Director of the Ethereum Foundation, discussing the evolution of Ethereum, addressing criticisms, and the foundation's strategic initiatives. They explore the importance of communication, the restructuring of the foundation, and the focus on scaling Ethereum through L1 and L2 dynamics. 

Tomasz shares insights on the vision for Ethereum as a global economy, balancing user needs with core values, and the foundation's treasury management and DeFi strategies. The conversation concludes with a look at future developments and milestones for Ethereum.

Takeaways:

• Ethereum has evolved significantly since its inception, focusing on scaling and communication.

• The Ethereum Foundation has faced criticism regarding its communication strategies.

• Restructuring within the foundation aims to enhance protocol development and management.

• Funding and support for developers are crucial for the ecosystem's growth.

• The relationship between L1 and L2 is vital for Ethereum's scaling strategy.

• Ethereum aims to position itself as a global economy hub.

• User needs and core values must be balanced for long-term success.

• Treasury management strategies are evolving to include DeFi protocols.

• The foundation is committed to transparency and community engagement.

• Future milestones include significant scaling and security improvements.

Chapters:

00:00 Defiant Intro

00:07 Episode Teaser

01:24 Hero Quote

01:35 Introduction to Tomasz Stańczak, Co-Executive Director of the Ethereum Foundation

03:18 Community Criticism and Foundation Response

06:45 Strategic Actions by the Ethereum Foundation 

09:39 Building a Supportive Ecosystem for Developers

13:50 The strengths of Ethereum as a Network

17:17 Scaling Ethereum: L1 and L2 Dynamics

20:55 The One Trillion Security Initiative

23:00 Specific Milestones in the Short Term

25:53 Navigating the Tension: World Computer vs. Store of Value

29:15 Ethereum as a Global Economy

30:43 Will Solana Become An Ethereum L2?

32:43 User Priorities: Decentralization vs. Usability

37:02 Treasury Management and ETH Sales

36:55 The Role of Stablecoins in Ethereum's Future

39:55 The Impact of Ethereum Foundation's DeFi Allocations

42:00 Guiding DeFi Protocols Towards Security and Decentralization

51:10 The Future of Ethereum: Use Cases and Community Expectations

54:50 Upcoming Milestones for Ethereum

56:50 Closing Remarks

This week, we spoke with Rob Viglione, Co-founder and CEO of Horizen Labs, to explore the groundbreaking potential of Zero Knowledge Proofs (ZKP) in safeguarding digital privacy, bridging TradFi and DeFi, and creating income streams for consumers that empower them through the ownership of their own digital data.

From balancing transparency and onchain privacy to the intersection of AI and Web3, Rob dives into the critical role cryptography will play in reshaping how we share and protect data. Learn how ZKPs can combat data misuse, empower individuals to monetize their information, and reimagine compliance as we step into a world where privacy is a fundamental human right.

Key Highlights:

1. How ZKPs protect medical records and financial history

2. Will banks adapt, or become irrelevant?

3. The role of cryptography in privacy-centric AI systems

Don’t miss this thought-provoking discussion packed with insights on the future of data, privacy, and decentralized innovation.

Chapters:

00:00 Defiant Intro

00:07 Podcast Teaser

00:52 Hero Quote

00:59 Introduction to Rob Viglione

01:34 The beauty of ZKPs

02:40 How to balance transparency and privacy onchain

04:00 Why it’s so easy to overshare data

04:50 Living in an age of constant data leaks

06:34 The concept of wealth is fundamentally different now

07:33 Google adopts ZKP to verify age

09:00 A world of a trillion proofs

09:30 How can Web3 handle growing volumes of proofs?

10:09 Will Web2 relinquish their chokehold on our data?

11:52 Monetizing data as an incentive to online privacy

12:45 New opportunities for earning a living by monetizing your data

14:14 The intersection of crypto and AI

16:17 ZKPs and data protection

18:00 ZKPs and AI in medical records and financial history

20:18 How can ZKPs act as a safeguard against misuse in AI

22:15 Hackers and scammers are a certainty; how do we fight them?

22:36 Cryptography, ZKPs, and privacy-centric AI systems?

25:13 Why is privacy a human right?

26:25 Institutions, privacy, and Web3

26:45 Institutions coming onchain

28:30 Better communicating privacy as a human right in the context of Web3

30:30 Will ZKPs change the way people interact with the internet?

32:11 Marketing in the age of AI

33:24 ZKPs and KYC

35:40 Why ZKPs are bad for bad actors

37:38 Government regulation vs. Web3 companies regulating the industry themselves

39:00 It doesn’t make sense for politicians to be anti-crypto anymore

41:53 Can ZKPs redefine compliance and how it’s enforced?

43:13 How can ZKP tech support institutional privacy and consumer data?

44:45 TradFi onchain as a stepping stone to DeFi

46:39 Lightning round! Favorite existing use case for ZKP

46:54 Lightning round! Favorite potential use case for ZKP

48:04 Lightning round! Best advice for keeping your data safe online

48:49 Closing statements and where to follow Rob

Explore the cutting-edge intersection of AI, cryptocurrency, and startup culture in our latest episode. We spoke with Shaw Walters, Founder of Eliza Labs, about the exciting possibilities and challenges of AI agents in digital worlds, the crypto ecosystem, and token launches. Discover how these technologies are shaping a fairer, more inclusive future for investing and why real products and vision matter more than hype. 

Chapters:

00:00 Defiant introduction

00:07 Episode summary

00:54 Introduction to Shaw Walters and Eliza Labs

02:27 AI agents in digital worlds

10:56 Eliza as a framework for providing what GPT doesn’t

11:25 Writing actions for AI agents

14:10 Use cases for AI agents

14:55 Moving from one-on-one to group settings

16:33 Connecting Eliza to the crypto ecosystem

19:20 Pros and cons of AI agents in financial services

21:25 AI agents as an interface

24:53 auto.fun and launching AI agents

30:08 Fairer than fair token launch

31:58 A new age of investing in startups

32:32 The government does not trust you with your own money

34:33 Crypto workarounds for investing in startups

35:43 The Trump administration and our path to regulation

36:57 Changing laws around investing in startups

38:32 Decentralized AI and opening investment to the public

39:30 What will bring AI agents back to the forefront?

44:25 How to structure better launchpads for startups

46:00 Crypto markets in their current state are casinos

49:24 Jeffy Yu and Zerebro

53:36 Why the crypto culture needs to change

55:31 Real products and real vision

58:00 Closing remarks

This week, we spoke to Patrick Amadon about the complex intersections of digital privacy, surveillance, censorship, and the potential of decentralized AI. Amadon offers a critical perspective on some of the most pressing issues in technology, from the role of digital disobedience to the regulatory challenges surrounding cryptocurrency and artificial intelligence.

Key topics include: 

• The potential of decentralized AI and Ethereum's pivotal role 

• The impact of censorship on free speech in the digital era 

• How AI and blockchain technology can empower individuals and artists 

• Risks posed by centralized AI and the push for decentralization 

• Strategies for protecting digital privacy and countering AI surveillance 

Amadon also examines how the framework for success in the digital age is shifting, emphasizing the importance of data ownership and financial independence. This conversation offers valuable insights for those interested in the evolving relationship between technology, freedom, and the pursuit of a decentralized future.

Chapters:

00:00 Defiant Intro

00:07 Decentralized AI is a win for Ethereum

01:30 Introduction to Patrick Amadon

02:08 Digital disobedience and decentralized ecosystems

04:10 Challenges in modern discourse

07:40 “No Rioters” and threats to free speech 

10:10 The place for disruption

12:00 The paths to success are changing

13:05 Crypto and data ownership

13:32 Meaningful AI Legislation

14:20 The race to AGI and why we need to beat China

16:48 Regulating crypto and AI

18:34 The failure of the stablecoin bill

22:08 “Passive Observer” and the role of the public in geopolitical events

27:50 Art as resistance to homogenizing the narrative

30:10 When crypto starts making sense to normies

30:55 The fight to decentralize AI

33:25 The risks of centralized AI

35:40 Our lack of digital security and privacy

37:32 Why should AI belong to the people?

38:00 AI’s effects on the job market

41:25 How to get under the hood of AI

45:00 AI lowers the barrier to entry for art, technology, and more

46:30 AI and the arts

49:20 The pros and cons of decentralization

50:32 Decentralized infrastructure, currency, and economy

52:15 The Pectra update

54:35 The power of owning your own currency

55:18 How will wallets as smart contracts affect artists?

55:40 The NFT art space only works as it imagines a new art world

58:00 Pectra and the future of meaningful technologies

58:55 A digital renaissance

01:00:58 Counter AI surveillance technology

01:05:00 Why is digital privacy so important?

01:12:15 VeilPNG and hiding data

01:13:20 Closing remarks

Are crypto ETFs set to reshape the investing landscape? Join us on The Defiant as we dive deep into the future of crypto assets, the evolving regulatory environment, and the rise of index-based investing. Matt Hougan, CIO of Bitwise, shares his expert insights on what these changes mean for investors and how crypto ETFs could revolutionize access to digital assets. 

Chapters:

00:00 The Defiant Intro

00:10 Why tariffs could be bullish for Bitcoin 

00:41 Intro to Matt Hougan, CIO of Bitwise

01:35 The impact of U.S. interest rates on crypto markets 

04:00 Tariffs and their effects on crypto

08:24 How USD fluctuations affect global crypto trends 

10:15 Investor reactions to a weaker dollar

11:58 Bitcoin as a hedge against volatility

14:58 The role of traditional investors in driving Bitcoin’s price 

20:54 Regulatory insights and which assets stand to gain 

22:10 Crypto ETFs

24:50 What sets Bitwise apart in the crowded ETF space 

26:52 The rise (and slow start) of Ethereum ETFs

29:00 How will ETH staking play into demand?

30:21 How will an ETH staking fund be structured?

32:30 Top crypto assets to watch for the next wave of ETFs 

35:25 How index funds are influencing the future of crypto investing 

36:50 Crypto native investors

38:38 Index funds and the SEC

40:11 Ethereum’s coming of age and shifting goals

43:45 What can get 1000x users on Ethereum?

46:28 Ethereum vs. Solana and the next big trends 

48:31 Where and how different blockchains thrive

51:30 Predictions for 2025

53:10 Closing Remarks

Immerse yourself in the future of decentralized infrastructure in this exclusive interview with Amira Valliana from the Solana Foundation. Perfect for Web3 enthusiasts, this episode unpacks how onchain solutions are redefining physical networks, policy, and global collaboration.

Chapters & Key Topics: 

• 00:00 Introduction to decentralized infrastructure onchain 

• 00:33 Podcast & guest welcome 

• 03:16 Amira Valliana’s policy work at Solana Foundation 

• 09:19 Shaping blockchain policy and its real-world impact 

• 12:31 What is DePIN? (Decentralized Physical Infrastructure Networks) 

• 15:25 Case Study spotlight: Geonet 

• 18:19 Current tech limits for onchain assets 

• 20:21 Experiments in tracking real-world objects via blockchain 

• 22:00 Supply chain challenges and onchain opportunities 

• 24:08 Using crypto to coordinate worldwide networks 

• 25:38 Helium Network deep-dive 

• 29:00 Future applications for Helium 

• 31:05 Exploring Hivemapper 

• 34:15 Bridging DePIN and AI innovation 

• 38:27 Decentralized AI and infrastructure synergy 

• 42:32 Macro trends (interest rates, tariffs, resources, and more) and their effect 

• 45:43 What’s next for decentralized physical infrastructure?

If you’re curious about DePIN, policy in Web3, or the next wave of decentralized AI, you’ll get actionable insights and real-world examples to fuel your curiosity. 

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Lending and borrowing onchain has quickly become one of the most dynamic and fastest-growing sectors in Decentralized Finance (DeFi). Among the leaders in this space is Maple Finance, a platform that has already facilitated over $800M in assets, showcasing the growing adoption and practicality of tokenized private credit for institutions. By bridging the gap between traditional finance and decentralized systems, Maple Finance is demonstrating how institutions can leverage blockchain technology for more efficient and transparent lending solutions.

In an insightful conversation, Camila Russo sat down with Maple Finance’s CEO, Sid Powell, to delve into the potential of real-world assets (RWAs) within DeFi, the evolving role of stablecoins in this ecosystem, and strategies to unlock new lending markets onchain. Their discussion highlights the rapid innovations taking place in the DeFi space and sheds light on the future of decentralized credit markets.

Will Robinson, VP of Engineering at Coinbase, explores the company’s expanding role in decentralized finance (DeFi), highlighting the launch of Bitcoin-backed USDC loans through Morpho and Coinbase’s broader efforts to integrate DeFi solutions. He explains how Coinbase is working to connect centralized finance (CeFi) with DeFi by incorporating decentralized protocols while prioritizing security and regulatory compliance. Robinson also discusses the introduction of cbBTC as an alternative to WBTC, the company’s approach to multi-chain development, and its plans for further DeFi integrations. Additionally, he addresses ongoing debates about Ethereum Layer 2 networks and their impact on the main chain, emphasizing the importance of improved cross-chain interoperability. He also provides insights into Coinbase’s asset listing process, the role of meme coins in the crypto ecosystem, and the company’s broader mission to support a more open and accessible financial system.

Chapters

00:00 - Intro: Will Robinson, VP of Engineering at Coinbase

00:45 - Coinbase’s expanding role in DeFi

01:16 - Bitcoin-backed USDC loans powered by Morpho

02:34 - How Coinbase enables BTC holders to access liquidity

05:15 - Risks involved in Bitcoin-backed loans

08:58 - Liquidation risks and loan-to-value ratios

11:13 - Early demand and adoption of the product

13:15 - cbBTC vs. WBTC: Why Coinbase launched its own Bitcoin wrapper

18:47 - How cbBTC is issued and traded

21:36 - Coinbase’s approach to self-custody and wallets

24:07 - The role of Coinbase Wallet in bridging CeFi and DeFi

27:31 - Coinbase’s long-term DeFi strategy and future integrations

29:50 - Will DeFi become a mainstream part of traditional finance?

33:51 - Coinbase’s evolution from exchange to financial institution

34:34 - The rise of Base: How Coinbase grew its Layer 2

38:28 - Are Layer 2s parasitic to Ethereum?

49:08 - The role of meme coins in crypto and Coinbase’s listing process

54:20 - The future of on-chain finance and economic freedom

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Bill Barhydt, Founder and CEO of Abra, discusses the evolving landscape of cryptocurrency markets and investment strategies in this week's The Defiant Podcast. He attributes Bitcoin’s price movements to macroeconomic factors, including U.S. monetary policy and liquidity cycles, and notes a growing trend of companies holding Bitcoin on their balance sheets. Barhydt also examines Ethereum’s scalability challenges and the increasing role of DeFi in financial systems, suggesting that decentralized infrastructure could eventually become the standard for banking. Additionally, he expresses optimism about potential regulatory clarity in the U.S., particularly regarding stablecoins and digital asset classifications.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction: Bill Barhydt & Abra

00:48 - Barhydt’s Background in Crypto & Finance

02:23 - How Abra Manages Crypto Wealth

05:45 - Bitcoin Loans & Prime Brokerage Explained

10:10 - Crypto Market Volatility & Macroeconomic Factors

13:24 - Bitcoin Dominance & Altcoin Cycles

18:11 - Solana vs. Ethereum: Market Trends & Adoption

24:29 - U.S. Crypto Regulations & Policy Predictions

36:05 - Trump’s Crypto Involvement

39:04 - Institutional Interest in Bitcoin & ETFs

50:18 - The Future of DeFi & Traditional Banking

52:14 - Barhydt’s Price Predictions

54:12 - Final Thoughts & Closing Remarks

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Kain Warwick, founder of Synthetix and Infinex, discusses the evolution of DeFi and the trade-offs required to improve user experience while maintaining decentralization. He explains how Infinex aims to offer a more accessible, centralized exchange-like interface while remaining non-custodial, addressing long-standing UX challenges in DeFi. Warwick also reflects on Synthetix’s recent governance restructuring, competition from Hyperliquid, and the potential shift back to a stablecoin-focused model. Looking ahead, he highlights the importance of regulatory clarity, improved infrastructure, and greater accessibility in driving the next phase of DeFi growth.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to Kain Warwick

00:15 - Kain’s history in DeFi

01:26 - Motivation behind Infinex and staying in crypto

02:21 - Challenges of bull and bear markets

05:55 - The idea behind Infinex and UX innovation

08:40 - Trade-offs in building a user-friendly DeFi platform

17:05 - Passkeys and the seamless user experience

24:26 - Adoption metrics and user growth

26:51 - Future roadmap: Bitcoin, XRP, and Doge integration

33:08 - The Patron NFT sale: Lessons learned

37:19 - Synthetix updates: Governance and structural changes

39:27 - The role of attention in crypto success

47:50 - Synthetix’s stablecoin pivot and liquidity strategy

51:14 - Differentiating Synthetix’s stablecoin from others

54:03 - Avoiding the pitfalls of past algo stablecoins

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Preston Van Loon, an Ethereum core developer, joins The Defiant Podcast this week to discuss his role as a plaintiff in the high-profile Tornado Cash lawsuit against the U.S. Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC). He described how the sanctions imposed on Tornado Cash impacted legitimate users seeking privacy on Ethereum and underscored the significance of a recent appellate court ruling questioning whether smart contracts qualify as “property” under U.S. sanctions law. Van Loon also noted the possibility of a friendlier regulatory environment in the United States, suggesting that changing policy stances could spur crypto innovation. Finally, he addressed ongoing discussions within the Ethereum community about development priorities, governance structures, and the challenges of maintaining a decentralized protocol as the ecosystem grows.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Background

01:15 - What is Tornado Cash?

04:00 - Why Tornado Cash Was Sanctioned

06:45 - Filing the Lawsuit

09:50 - Court Ruling and Implications

14:00 - Next Steps in the Legal Case

18:00 - Privacy Rights and Crypto

24:00 - Impact on Builders and Industry

34:00 - Ethereum's Role and Future Challenges

50:00 - Community Feedback and Leadership

55:00 - Closing Remarks

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Sam Kazemian, founder of Frax Finance, outlined the development and goals of FraxUSD, a decentralized stablecoin designed to integrate with both traditional finance and decentralized ecosystems. The upgraded FraxUSD offers redeemability through custodians like BlackRock and SuperState while providing competitive yields through diversified strategies. Kazemian described Frax’s broader vision as building a digital economy anchored by its flagship stablecoin and Fraxstool, a high-performance Ethereum Layer 2.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction

00:48 - Founding Story and Differentiation of Frax

02:01 - Vision for Decentralized Stablecoins

02:41 - Features of FraxUSD

08:51 - Best of Both Worlds Design for FraxUSD

13:08 - Future of Stablecoins

23:05 - Yield Strategy of FraxUSD

34:16 - FraxUSD in Real World and On-Chain Usage

42:02 - Stablecoins as the Gateway to Crypto

47:12 - Roadmap and Future of Frax

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Zhouxun Yin, the Co-Founder of Magic Eden, joins The Defiant Podcast to discuss the evolution of one of the largest NFT marketplaces. In this episode, he shares the story behind Magic Eden’s founding, their decision to focus on Solana early on, and their multi-chain expansion strategy. Z dives into the challenges of navigating the bear market, enforcing royalties, and launching a token to unite their ecosystem. He also explores the future of NFTs, their integration with AI, and Magic Eden's ambitious shift toward becoming an all-encompassing on-chain trading platform.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction

00:30 - Founding Magic Eden

03:40 - Surviving FTX and Solana’s Challenges

07:20 - Navigating the NFT Bear Market

12:00 - The Bitcoin Ordinals Bet

16:00 - Multi-Chain Expansion

24:30 - Launching the $ME Token

32:00 - Addressing Airdrop Challenges

46:50 - The Royalty Debate

54:10 - Long-Term Vision for NFTs

01:03:00 - On-Chain Trading and Future Goals

01:10:35 - Closing Thoughts

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Sandy Peng, co-founder of Scroll, tells us the journey of building one of the most anticipated Ethereum Layer 2s, their focus on ZK rollups for scalability, and the unique value proposition of high security, decentralization, and low costs. Sandy discusses Scroll's transition from general purpose chain design to supporting specific use cases driven by ecosystem builders and founders. They explore challenges and lessons from Scroll's recent token airdrop, emphasizing the importance of clear communication, equitable distribution, and fostering a vibrant community. Sandy highlights the Scroll Open initiative and their long-term vision to create a thriving "city" for innovation and talent in the blockchain space.

Chapters

00:00 - Sandy Peng on Scroll's Rise

00:30 - Scroll’s Evolution and 2025 Vision

01:30 - The Founding Story of Scroll

02:30 - Why ZK Rollups?

04:00 - Scroll's Unique Edge in the L2 Space

07:00 - Transition to Use Case-Specific Chains

09:00 - Scroll's Vision for Builders and Founders

11:00 - Sub-Cent Costs and High Security Explained

15:00 - Decentralization: Scroll’s Progress and Plans

20:00 - Governance and the Role of Scroll Tokens

25:00 - Airdrop Lessons and Community Feedback

35:00 - Reflections on Token Distribution Trends

46:00 - Layer 2s and Ethereum’s Value Narrative

50:00 - Scroll Open: Building the Future Economy

58:00 - Scroll's Big Picture Vision

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Johann Kerbrat is the Vice President and General Manager of Robinhood Crypto, leading the charge in bringing crypto to millions of retail investors. In this episode, Johann shares the journey of Robinhood Crypto, from its early days of launching in 2018 to its recent innovations, including staking, self-custody wallets, and a potential shift towards a full-fledged crypto exchange. He discusses how Robinhood is leveraging blockchain to enhance efficiency, lower costs, and expand access to financial instruments.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction

00:14 - History of Robinhood Crypto

01:23 - Why Robinhood Added Crypto

02:42 - Robinhood's Perspective on Crypto

07:12 - How Robinhood Monetizes Crypto

12:31 - Competing with Crypto Exchanges

14:22 - Token Listing Strategy

16:53 - Balancing Features and Asset Expansion

18:17 - Staking in the EU and Regulatory Concerns

21:22 - Staking Demand and Customer Education

24:08 - Robinhood Wallet Features

27:23 - Self-Custody Wallet Metrics

28:49 - Meme Stock Frenzy and Decentralized Trading

31:42 - Blockchain for Settlement and Efficiency

39:08 - Marketplace vs. Exchange Transition

41:49 - Upcoming Milestones for Robinhood Crypto

43:19 - Market Trends and Future Vision

44:49 - Long-Term Vision for Robinhood Crypto

46:00 - Closing Remarks

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In this episode, Dimitry Gusakov, Community Staking Lead at Lido, discusses the protocol’s efforts to enhance decentralization and accessibility in Ethereum staking. He explains the launch of the Community Staking Module, which lowers barriers for individual validators while addressing concerns about centralization within the Ethereum ecosystem. The conversation also explores potential impacts of proposed Ethereum staking changes and Lido’s roadmap for further decentralization in 2025. Tune in to gain insights into the evolving landscape of liquid staking and its role in securing Ethereum.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction

00:14 - What is Lido and Liquid Staking?

02:20 - Liquid Staking Use Cases in DeFi

05:33 - Addressing Centralization Concerns in Lido

08:25 - Community Staking Module: Decentralization Efforts

10:49 - Requirements to Become a Home Validator

13:26 - Rewards and Entry Barriers for Home Validators

16:12 - Hardware Setup for Validators

23:39 - Socialized Rewards and Offline Allowances

26:38 - Higher Rewards for Running a Node

34:23 - Impact of CSM on Lido’s Decentralization

41:13 - Ethereum Security and the Importance of Decentralization

52:19 - Ethereum Issuance Proposal: Implications for Lido

01:06:07 - Future Developments for Lido in 2025

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In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, Ethereum Foundation researcher Justin Drake dives deep into the Beam Chain proposal, a transformative upgrade aimed at accelerating Ethereum’s roadmap and enhancing its consensus layer. Justin explains how the Beam Chain would incorporate key innovations like SNARK proofs, quantum security, and single-slot finality to boost decentralization, security, and scalability. He also discusses incremental upgrades like staking caps and pre-confirmations, which aim to improve Ethereum’s performance and user experience in the near term. The conversation explores Ethereum’s competition with Solana and Bitcoin, highlighting how Ethereum’s long-term focus on robustness and scalability positions it to thrive as the foundational layer for the decentralized internet.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction: Justin Drake

01:03 - What is the Beam Chain?

02:41 - Why Ethereum Needs Acceleration

05:06 - Lessons from the Merge for the Beam Chain

07:06 - Solving Ethereum’s Technical Debt

15:58 - Faster Confirmation Times

18:11 - Pre-confirmations in Ethereum

24:14 - Layer 1 and Layer 2 Pre-confirmations

30:41 - Big Ticket Changes in the Beam Chain

31:04 - Snarkification of Consensus Layer

33:31 - Single Slot Finality

39:00 - Trustless Bridges Between Blockchains

49:00 - Native Rollups and Execution Sharding

54:04 - Ethereum vs. Solana on Performance

01:10:00 - Near-Term Upgrades to Watch For

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Hart Lambur, co-founder of Across Protocol and UMA, discusses Across’s mission to enable fast, low-cost asset transfers between Ethereum layer twos, with a focus on creating a seamless user experience. He explains how the protocol’s “intent architecture” leverages third-party solvers to improve cross-chain interactions, offering a cohesive way for users to transfer assets and execute transactions across different Ethereum networks. Lambur also emphasizes the importance of Ethereum’s upcoming account abstraction upgrades in achieving a unified ecosystem, allowing actions on any Ethereum chain from a single wallet. He envisions a future by 2025 where Ethereum feels like a unified network, improving user experience significantly.

Chapters

00:04 - Introduction to Hart Lambur

00:14 - Hart’s Background and Motivation for Building Across Protocol

00:50 - Integration with Uniswap

10:34 - Challenges in Ethereum Interoperability and Gas Fees

12:03 - Ethereum’s Scalability Achievements and New Issues

18:04 - Account Abstraction: ERC-7702 and Its Role in Ethereum

27:02 - Intents Architecture

41:00 - Current User Experience Issues in Ethereum and Solutions

52:32 - Hart’s Vision for Ethereum as a Unified Network by 2025

57:08 - Closing Thoughts on Ethereum’s Future and Overcoming Fragmentation

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Nana Murugesan, President of Matter Labs and former VP of Business Development at Coinbase, joins Camila Russo in this week’s podcast to discuss the latest updates from ZKsync, including the recently launched Elastic Chain. He explains how ZKsync’s approach to interoperability and customization aims to make Web3 infrastructure as seamless as Web2, emphasizing the importance of user-friendly experiences for mainstream adoption. Nana also highlights Matter Labs' partnership with Buenos Aires to bring ZK-backed digital identity to millions of citizens, showcasing a promising model for government and Web3 collaboration. Finally, he shares upcoming milestones for ZKsync, with new chains and collaborations in Latin America, gaming, and the creator economy.

Chapters

0:00 - Introduction

0:17 - ZKsync and Elastic Chain

2:57 - Evolution of ZKsync

5:22 - Interoperability and Customizability in Web3

7:30 - User Experience

10:16 - The Role of Governments in Blockchain Adoption

14:41 - Digital Identity on the Blockchain

17:18 - Why Zero-Knowledge Proofs Matter

21:02 - Cost and Throughput Advantage of ZKsync

25:07 - UX and Interoperability Challenges

27:05 - ZKsync in Latin America

30:05 - Upcoming Projects on Elastic Chain

32:39 - Future Focus for Matter Labs

33:46 - Closing Remarks

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In this week’s podcast, Dylan Kawalec, Head of Developer Relations at Goat Network, discusses the Goat Founders Club, which is a new initiative aimed at empowering developers and entrepreneurs to build on the Bitcoin Layer 2 ecosystem. He explains how the program incentivizes builders through a unique points reward system that can be converted into tokens, fostering a more developer-centric community. Dylan also dives into the technical aspects of the Goat Network, including its decentralized sequencer model and use of zero-knowledge rollups, to enhance Bitcoin's scalability and interoperability. Lastly, he shares his personal story of how Bitcoin transformed his life, highlighting his unwavering passion and optimism for the future of the network.

Chapters

00:00 - Dylan Kawalec and GOAT Network

00:16 - What is the GOAT Founders Club?

03:46 - About GOAT Network: Bitcoin Layer 2 Overview

05:12 - Differentiation from Other Layer 2s

07:00 - Founders Club Tracks for Developers

11:03 - Governance Token: Future Role of GOAT Token

12:28 - Role of Bitcoin on GOAT Network

15:07 - Sequencer Model and Bridging to Other Chains

21:00 - Dylan’s Personal Bitcoin Story

24:56 - Inspiration Behind Founders Club

42:11 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Adeniyi Abiodun is the co-founder of Mysten Labs and a major contributor to the Sui blockchain. In this week’s podcast, he discusses Sui's unique positioning as a "global coordination layer for the internet," emphasizing its decentralized nature and its technical advancements such as parallel execution and the use of the Move programming language. He highlights the expertise of the team behind Sui, their focus on scalability, and the potential for Sui to revolutionize payments and digital asset ownership. Abiodun also addresses challenges like decentralization concerns and outlines future growth areas, including gaming and DeFi.

Chapters

0:00 - Introduction with Adeniyi Abiodun, Co-founder of Mysten Labs

0:42 - What is Sui and how it's different from other L1s

1:50 - Addressing the centralization problem of the internet

3:52 - Scalability and throughput advantages of Sui

5:24 - How Sui solves scalability and throughput challenges

7:31 - Move language: A better approach for Web3 development

10:33 - Object-based model vs account-based model in blockchains

16:00 - Sui token's recent price surge and adoption trends

19:16 - Native USDC launch and its impact on DeFi growth

22:11 - Sui's low latency and fast transaction speeds

33:19 - Expanding Web3 adoption and onboarding billions of users

45:37 - Sui’s vision for the future

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John Avlon is a congressional candidate for New York, advocating for bipartisan support of emerging technologies like cryptocurrency. In this week's podcast, John emphasizes the need for clear and reasonable regulation to foster innovation without stifling it, while warning against making technology a partisan issue. Avlon critiques the current regulatory landscape, including the approach of figures like Gary Gensler, and highlights the potential risks of pushing innovation overseas. He advocates for Democrats to embrace technology as a key driver of U.S. competitiveness, underscoring that this election will shape the trajectory of the nation's future.

Chapters

0:00 Intro to John Avlon

1:02 Pivotal Moment For Crypto

3:50 US Crypto Policy

8:40 Regulatory Framework

17:40 Trust In Kamala Harris

26:30 Crypto Lobby

31:21 Balance In Regulation

44:05 John Avlon's Bags

47:12 Threat To Democracy

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Jack Booth is the co-founder of TON Society, a grassroots initiative driving community engagement in the Ton blockchain ecosystem, closely integrated with the Telegram messaging app. Booth explained how TON is evolving as a Web3 super app, bringing decentralized applications and financial tools to a global audience. He discussed the ecosystem’s unique structure, built on Telegram’s open mini-apps platform, enabling users to seamlessly access crypto services. Booth also emphasized TON's vision of onboarding millions of new users into crypto by creating simple, user-friendly applications and fostering mass adoption outside the U.S.

00:00 - Introduction & TON's Relationship with Telegram

02:35 - TON's Vision for Web3 & Telegram Mini Apps

05:15 - The History of TON and Regulatory Challenges

07:22 - Telegram Integrates TON Wallet

09:56 - TON’s Focus on Emerging Markets

13:07 - TON Society & Community Building

17:30 - TON Blockchain's Sharding Model

21:11 - Scaling Challenges

24:20 - TON’s Deflationary Potential

29:25 - Pavel Durov's Arrest & Impact on TON

39:31 - Power of Telegram's Announcement Channels

44:01 - Centralization vs. Decentralization in TON

49:01 - TON as a Web3 Super App

53:19 - Tap-to-Earn Apps & Airdrops

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Paul Frambot, co-founder and CEO of Morpho Labs, explains how Morpho is a decentralized and permissionless lending protocol that allows users to create customized lending and borrowing pools. Unlike traditional DeFi platforms like Aave, Morpho externalizes risk management, giving users control over their risk exposure and liquidity. Frambot shares how Morpho started as a rate-optimizing solution and evolved into Morpho Blue, a more scalable protocol with over $1 billion in deposits. He discusses the advantages of building in Europe, Morpho's vision to make financial infrastructure a public good, and how fintech partnerships could drive future DeFi adoption. We also touch on Morpho's upcoming token launch and its long-term strategy to compete with other major DeFi protocols.

0:00 - Intro to Paul Frambot

0:30 - What is Morpho and How it Differs from Competitors

2:00 - Paul's Background and Entry into DeFi

3:30 - Early Development of Morpho Optimizer

5:00 - Transition to Morpho Blue and Permissionless Lending

8:00 - Managing Risk, Liquidity, and Customization

11:00 - Real-World Assets and New Use Cases in DeFi

14:00 - Challenges and Advantages of Building in Europe

18:00 - Morpho's Long-Term Vision: Financial Infrastructure as a Public Good

23:00 - Future of DeFi: Fintech Integration and Token Launch

28:00 - Competition with Aave and Growth Strategy

33:00 - The Role of Fintech in Scaling DeFi

38:00 - Long-Term Vision for DeFi and Fintech

43:00 - Morpho's Upcoming Tokenomics and Governance

48:00 - Future Trends and Adoption in DeFi

52:00 - Closing Thoughts and Paul's Outlook on DeFi

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Joe Lubin, co-founder of Ethereum and Consensys, explores the evolution of blockchain technology and the expanding role of the Ethereum ecosystem in this episode. He discusses Consensys' pivotal work in building foundational infrastructure, such as MetaMask and Infura, while outlining the strategic direction for future applications and decentralized technologies. Joe delves into Layer 2 solutions, regulatory challenges with the SEC, and the broader implications for the industry. He offers a forward-looking perspective on the maturation of Ethereum, emphasizing scalability, decentralization, and the development of Web3.

0:00 - Evolution of Consensys

3:00 - Growth of Ethereum Infrastructure

6:30 - Scaling Ethereum & Layer 2 Solutions

9:00 - Joe Lubin's Beliefs

11:00 - Regulatory Challenges & SEC Lawsuit

14:30 - Future of Ethereum & Regulation

18:00 - Decentralizing Consensys and Network States

21:30 - Ethereum's Layer 1 & Layer 2 Architecture

28:00 - Impact of Layer 2 on Ethereum Mainnet

36:00 - Transitioning Products to On-chain Governance

39:00 - Network States and Decentralization

43:00 - Preparing for the Next Wave of Applications

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Alex Cutler, Co-Founder of Aerodrome, shares the story behind Aerodrome, a decentralized exchange (DEX) built on Base, an Ethereum Layer 2 ecosystem. He explains how Aerodrome incorporates the best features from existing DEXs, such as Uniswap and Curve, to create a more efficient, unified platform for liquidity providers, traders, and token holders. Cutler emphasizes the strategic choice to focus on Ethereum L2s, predicting their growth as faster, cheaper alternatives to Layer 1 while maintaining Ethereum's ecosystem benefits. He also highlights Aerodrome's tokenomics, where protocol revenue is fully redistributed to participants who lock tokens and vote to direct emissions.

00:00 - Aerodrome Founding Story

03:26 - The Move to Layer 2 and Partnership with Coinbase

05:22 - Layer 2s vs Layer 1s

11:01 - Combining the Best Features from DEX Models

14:07 - Improving Tokenomics and Incentivization

20:22 - Revenue Distribution and Protocol Emissions

41:05 - Base’s Exponential Growth and Long-Term Vision

45:47 - Coinbase’s Role in Building the Future of Decentralization

58:00 - The Role of DEXs and the Coming Use Cases for On-Chain Activity

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Sebastian Serrano is the Co-Founder and CEO of Ripio, one of the largest crypto asset platforms in Latin America. In this episode, Sebastian discusses Ripio's evolution from a retail wallet to a comprehensive crypto platform that includes an exchange, OTC desk, and B2B services. Serrano also highlights Ripio's strategic partnerships with major companies in the region and the development of a stablecoin for Mercado Libre. He shares his insights on the future of crypto adoption in Latin America, emphasizing the potential of tokenization and real-world assets.

0:00 Ripio.com

2:56 Sebastian Serrano

6:41 Retail to B2B

14:21 Latin America

28:54 Argentina As A Crypto Hub

35:45 Future Outlook

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Redouane Elkamhi is the Economics Lead at GOAT Network, a project focused on developing a decentralized financial market on Bitcoin. In this episode, we discuss the project's goals, including the creation of a Bitcoin-based Layer 2 ecosystem with a focus on sustainable yield, decentralized sequencers, and economic incentives. Elkamhi outlines the potential impact of GOAT Network on Bitcoin's future and its approach to yield generation.

0:00 GOAT Network

7:02 Building on Bitcoin

20:25 Earning Yield

33:30 Tokenomics

39:52 Getting Involved

41:36 Future of GOAT and Bitcoin L2s

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